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Posted on 12/26/2008 6:35:37 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
Pakistan cancelled army leave and redeployed some troops Friday in a sign of rising tension with India.
The United States urged both sides to refrain from further raising tensions, already high after India blamed Islamist militants based in Pakistan for attacks on Mumbai last month that killed 179 people.
The latest strains followed media reports in Pakistan and India that "several" Indian nationals had been held in the last two days after bombings in the Pakistani cities of Lahore and Multan.
The foreign ministry in New Delhi warned Indian citizens on Friday that "it would be unsafe for them to travel (to) or be in Pakistan."
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had earlier discussed tension with Pakistan during a scheduled meeting about military pay with the chiefs of the army, navy and air force, his office said.
"The prime minister met the tri-services chiefs to discuss the pay commission issues but obviously the situation in the region was also discussed," said an official from Singh's office, who requested anonymity.
The South Asian neighbours both tested nuclear weapons in 1998. They have fought three wars since independence from Britain in 1947, and came to the brink of a fourth after gunmen attacked the Indian parliament in December 2001.
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Thanks for the ping Jet Jaguar.
I’m going to recap in the next post.
India has a very good nuke delivery system (missiles, subs), from what I understand … Pakistan, although knee deep in nukes (90?), doesn’t have anything near a viable delivery system other than via camel. Am I correct in this?
Blog.WIRED.com: "MUMBAI TERROR GROUP TRAINED AMERICAN JIHADISTS" by Noah Shachtman (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Since 2003, at least five U.S. citizens have been convicted in federal court of conspiring to provide material support to Lashkar-e-Taiba. At least nine more men, considered to be in the same larger circle, have been convicted of firearms violations and other felonies. (A partial list is here.) Several other cases are still making their way through the legal process.") (December 10, 2008, 7:00 am)
NST.com.my: "MUMBAI TERROR: MILITANTS NOT TOLD SUICIDAL NATURE OF MISSION" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Ajmal made another important disclosure: all terrorists were trained in marine warfare." ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Ajmal has revealed the names of some of his fellow jihadis -- all Pakistanis -- as Abu Ali, Fahad, Omar, Shoaib, Umer, Abu Akasha, Ismail, Abdul Rahman (Bara) and Abdul Rahman (Chhota).") (November 30, 2008)
MUMBAI MIRROR.com: "'I want to live'" by Rakesh Prakash, Ravikiran Deshmukh and Danish Khan (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "His name is Azam Amir Kasav, he is 21 years old, speaks fluent English, hails from tehsil Gipalpura in Faridkot in Pakistan, and is the only terrorist from this audacious operation to have been captured alive. An ATS spokesperson confirmed that the man captured was indeed the one photographed by us." ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Ammunition, a satellite phone and a layout plan of CST was recovered from him. According to sources, the young terrorist has given the investigators vital leads including how the chief planner of the Mumbai terror plot had come to the city a month ago, took pictures and filmed strategic locations and trained their group and instructed them to "kill till the last breath".") (November 29, 2008)
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Thanks, will save for intense reading later tonight.
The Pakis are moving troops from NW to SE, not because of the Indians, but because it is COLD outside in the NW mountains.
The FATA, NWFP and Swat are covered with snow, the Pakis bug out every year at this time.
The Pakis are doing nothing unusual except for flying low and fast over Lahore with outdated aircraft. This fear of India is constant and is useful as an organizing tool for the Paki military.
There is not going to be any state to state war. India may make some drone/cruise missile strikes as we are doing in Pakistan, nothing more.
Thanks for the realistic, logical input.
I'll be surprised if the two sides back down. Pakistan has experienced a half century's worth of turmoil in the past year, and India needs a diversion from the plunge their economy will take from the current worldwide recession. Besides, with Obama coming, just about all the itchy trigger fingers in the world know that if they want to get any shooting done, time is running out.
But today there are significant differences. India now has more Muslims than Pakistan does, any attack on Pakistan and India has a civil war.
The Pakis are broke, begging the IMF for money, in mid-October, the Paki military only had 6 weeks of salary in the bank, today is not much better.
We now have incredible leverage on both sides. We are literally funding the Paki military and the feudals that run the civilian government. That can end if we want it to.
Who do you talk to when you call your bank, any tech support, or any customer service? India. That also can end if we want it to.
All war is economics and we control their money.
Besides the Chinese and Russians now make far less money selling the Pakis and Indians weapons than they do in trade of goods and services, so they also oppose war.
BTW, the Indians have activated three air bases for surveillance/drone operations but our satellites show no Indian troop movements to the border.
Here are a few more.
'Peace-loving' Pakistani PM sends troops to Indian border
Real long over due Israel action is underway against Iran's 'peace loving' Hamas terrorist proxies in (Israel's) Gaza.
Hamas: Over 150 killed as Israel strikes police compounds
Yes and thank you for the links M. Espinola.
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gandalftb, I have enjoyed reading your posts in the past...but CIVIL WAR in INDIA???? You are overdoing it this time. If the Muslims so much as misbehave by voicing support for Pakistan in India, they will be chopped up into pieces and the secular government or anybody, the Amnesty or all their asses put together will not be able to save such a Muslim soul. We have reached a point where even the seculars are seriously calculating the benefits of staying so in India.
India however is a big organizing problem for jihadists as there are enclaves of muslims all over that are generally very peaceful and are making money, living a good life. They generally don't want jihad. However, if India attacks Pakistan, they will likely provide a great deal of financing and logistical support for localized fighting cells.
That would be a nightmare for the very decentralized, weak and indecisive Indian government. Their most elite anti-terror unit had to wait eight hours to get a plane to fly to Mumbai and no one in the government had the power to comandeer a commercial flight that they could have left on immediately.
An Indian civil war will not be like Gettysburg, rather, hundreds of "Tet Offensives" all over India's soft targets like Mumbai.
This prospect terrifies the Indian commercial and industrial markets. India is poised to become the largest trading partner in Asia, only the jihadists can derail that and the jihadists know it.
Hmmm, didn't realize that. Do you have a source for that statistic? I'm not saying that you're incorrect, just that such information was under my radar. In any case, the Muslims would not be evenly distributed throughout India, I'd be curious to know where they are concentrated.
I've been surprised in the past when both sides backed down from major conflict, but I still expect that it has a high probability of happening. Islammunism is not simply going to melt away without a fight.
India may now have more Muslims than Pakistan (I’m taking your word for this) but they still only make up 13% of the Indian population. Any rebellion would be crushed rapidly.
By whom? There would be a hundred Tet-style offensives. Many in the Indian army still carry .303 Enfields.
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