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Obama and the Natural Born Citizen Clause
AmericanThinker.com ^ | December 09, 2008 | Randall Hoven

Posted on 12/09/2008 2:33:58 AM PST by Man50D

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To: chainsaw
“How viable will our Constitution be if five Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?”

No less viable than if they void the other 60 million or so who didn't vote for 0

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21 posted on 12/09/2008 7:04:31 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Man50D
In that article, I see two arguments that don't mesh.

First we have the claim that if Obama was born outside the country he couldn't be a U.S. citizen, since his father was an alien and his mother a minor. Fine.

Then the author says that they have a BC in Hawaii, but that doesn't mean anything, since it could have been given to someone born overseas.

Does Hawaii really give birth certificates to non-citizens? Because that's the only way this makes sense. I can see them giving a BC if Obama was definitely a citizen born overseas, but given the above arguments, he couldn't have been a citizen if born in Kenya.

22 posted on 12/09/2008 7:48:32 AM PST by Kleon
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To: Man50D
Perhaps some kind of retroactive re-definition of "natural born" that would handle Obama's particular technicality. I don't know, I'm not a lawyer.

Obviously, they wouldn't ask, they'd just do it.

Actually the only sort of "retroactive redefinition" that would be lawful would be a Constitutional Amendment. Congress cannot pass a law redefining a term or terms in the Constitution so as to change the meaning of the Constitution. It's a contract, unless changed per its own terms, it must mean today what it meant when ratified. Otherwise why bother to have a written Constitution.

The Constitution defines the form, powers and limitations of the national government. It impacts the states by denying them some powers they had prior to it's passage, but these are specifically enumerated in Art. I Section 10.

23 posted on 12/09/2008 6:00:51 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Shery
Yes...only Obama can really settle the issue by being forthright and honest.

Don't hold your Breath. Axlerod mispoke, that's not the Reverand Wright I know, and so on and so forth.

I wonder who has the barf bag concession for the inaguration? That will be one rich person.

24 posted on 12/09/2008 6:02:54 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The source of all the announcements is obviously some government office and not the family. And if Obama wasn't born locally then where did they get the information to print?

They got it when the birth certificate was filed. But we don't know if it was for an Out of Hawaii birth. Dates, and places of birth can easily be "mis reported", with false affidavits or documentation, just so that poor little Barry would be a US citizen, rather than a Subject of the rather unstable British Crown Colony of Kenya.

Not saying that is what happened, but without seeing a certified copy of the original Certificate, we can't tell if it was submitted by a local hospital, or by the parent(s) based on an Out of Hawaii birth. Either way the information in the announcement would come from the Birth Certificate, just as it did for all those other little nippers born around August 4th, 1961.

25 posted on 12/09/2008 6:14:06 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: chainsaw
They could order new elections and not one voter would be disenfranchised

No they could not, not if they want to follow the Constitution. It has no provision for "do overs". All the more reason why it should perhaps have a provision for "proof of eligibility".

26 posted on 12/09/2008 6:15:30 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
Otherwise why bother to have a written Constitution.

Hence the purpose of the socialist phrase "living breathing document".
27 posted on 12/09/2008 7:06:36 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D

“How viable will our Constitution be if five Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?” David, this will not be the SCOTUS’s fault, you arrogant ass. BUT, David, you simpleton, what of a man who is such a fraud that he would scam 64 million voters into voting for him though he cannot be a legitimate president. Never mind David, you box of socialist rocks, we consider the Constitution more important than rule by mob. You’re still twisted from your years in socialism mindset.


28 posted on 12/09/2008 7:12:36 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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Randall, you idiot stealth sycophant, this is not true! ... “Yes, we’ve seen Obama’s birth certificate and it says he was born in Honolulu.” Supposedly, his certification of live birth (meaning he was born alive somewhere and it is on record somewhere) is issued from Hawai’i, but that is not and has not been his certificate of birth, the long form saying where he was born. Sheesh, I’m getting really tired of this deceitful crap. We have a president-alleged, the coming lair in chief. Would someone please publish something nationally that tells the actual truth as known so far?


29 posted on 12/09/2008 7:19:09 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Man50D

And my point is, when a writer puts such an assertion up, too many will read that far and stop because they have seen what they wanted to have verified. And will fail to read further and discover the truth.


30 posted on 12/09/2008 7:22:45 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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Obama is going to be implicated with the Chicago gang, it would be better that he stepped forward now, admitted that he is ineligible because of his non-natural designation, withdraw and possibly return to being a Senator or a Governor since there is now a vacancy, a job he can be qualified for.

Save face for his efforts and not to tarnish what he could have been, maybe another will do it right next time.It would set him apart in history as an example of honesty and his coins will still be worth something in the future.

Here is your option Barry, use it now, save America, protect the future.


31 posted on 12/09/2008 7:24:33 PM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: Man50D

Horowitz is finally showing his true colors.


32 posted on 12/09/2008 7:24:51 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obama - not just an empty suit - - A Suit Bomb invading the White House)
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To: Man50D

I personally don’t need David Horowitz or Michelle Malkin telling me whether to abide by the the United States Constitution or not. Who the hell are they? Simply put they’re two more loudmouths who think they’re smarter than the rest of us. It’s irrelevant to me what side of the political spectrum they represent. They’re just two more people who make their living talking and writing but never really doing.


33 posted on 12/09/2008 7:39:03 PM PST by blake6900 (YOUR AD HERE)
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To: El Gato
They got it when the birth certificate was filed. But we don't know if it was for an Out of Hawaii birth. Dates, and places of birth can easily be "mis reported", with false affidavits or documentation, just so that poor little Barry would be a US citizen, rather than a Subject of the rather unstable British Crown Colony of Kenya.

Of course they did. Have popped out Obama on the 4th, his mother then managed post-natal recovery, a trip half way around the world, and then raced to the records office so that lil' Obama's birth notice could appear in the newspaper on the same day as all the other children born on the 4th. Just in case he ran for president some day.

Does that strike you as at all likely?

34 posted on 12/10/2008 4:01:09 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
...his mother then managed post-natal recovery, a trip half way around the world, and then raced to the records office...

How about this instead: Obama's mother gives birth in Kenya. She phones her mother in Hawaii after the delivery. (Daughters do occasionally telephone their mothers in this circumstance.) Madelyn Dunham proudly places the birth notice in the local paper. Easy.

Does that strike you as at all likely?

That does not matter. There is no need speculate about its likelihood. If he was born in Hawaii, Obama could easily release the root document behind his "Certification of Live Birth," that names the hospital where he was born, and names the doctor or midwife who delivered him. Instead he has stonewalled. Why?

35 posted on 12/11/2008 9:33:12 PM PST by TChad
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