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re: “Does the secular left, when it holds power, persuade conservatives to live by their standards? Of course they do not. “

What an absurd statement. Does Thomas think for one moment that general cultural rot hasn’t infected all of America, left and right? Where does he think this disintegration is coming from? It’s coming from the secular left, which has moved beyond trying to persuade conservatives to live by their standards, and is now using the power of the courts and the media to all but force conservatives to live by their standards. The secular left hasn’t persuaded Americans to accept abortion and pornography; they use the sword of Caesar to force this barbarism on us.

Thomas is not wrong to insist that we, as Christians, need to do more to foillow Christ’s example to pray for our enemies. But he is hopelessly naive to think that societal change can quietly be accomplished from within, in an age of 24/7, wall-to-wall, every-waking-moment degradation.

As Christians, we are always strangers in a strange land, but I see nothing wrong with working toward making our laws reflective of a righteous society. Beneath the lofty, flowery rhetoric, what Thomas is advocating here is cultural surrender.

As Christians, we are always strangers in a strange land, but I see nothing wrong with working toward making our laws reflective of a righteous society. Beneath the lofty, flowery rhetoric, what Thomas is advocating here is cultural surrender

I usually really like Cal Thomas. However I see this as a "cultural surrender" too. I do agree with him that we cannot expect the government to " legislate" morality, however to bow to their godless rules is absolutely throwing in the sponge.

I know a fair number of people who if asked will avow fiercely their pro-life, pro-family beliefs, firmly grounded in their faith. They sign the petitions, answer the polls, support the causes with their donation.

But in that voting booth they mark the ballot for whoever promises them the most goodies.

And I bet there are some of these folks in your church, too.

Agree!

There is definately a role for Christians in the public forum. We should do all the things he says but we cannot totally back off from government. He must be tired of the fight. I understand but think where we would be if conservative Christians had not engaged the left. I believe that abortion was legalized when the church was telling people not to get involved with the government and were busy condemning dancing and drinking. The real attack from Satan slipped in under the door. How can it be wrong to oppose legislation of immoral issues?