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Barr costs McCain the election in IN and VA
self | 11-4-08 | sef

Posted on 11/04/2008 10:03:04 PM PST by PhiloBedo

Looking at the tallies, all those Bob Barr supporters, knowing full well he didn't have a chance in hell of winning anything, cost McCain IN and VA. Thanks a lot!


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1 posted on 11/04/2008 10:03:04 PM PST by PhiloBedo
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To: PhiloBedo

So why do you think they voted for Barr?


2 posted on 11/04/2008 10:03:59 PM PST by dr_who
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To: PhiloBedo

Hey, it’s the candidates and parties job to get the votes. I don’t know what happened, but they didn’t.


3 posted on 11/04/2008 10:04:17 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: PhiloBedo

Don’t blame Bob Barr because the GOP put a RINO at the head of the party.


4 posted on 11/04/2008 10:05:23 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Catch the Korean Wave, one Bae Yong Joon film at a time!)
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To: PhiloBedo

I can’t believe Indiana is lost. I just can’t believe the ticket splitting that took place that gave Daniels such a big win but allowed Obama to take the state.


5 posted on 11/04/2008 10:05:28 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: nickcarraway

You may need to add NC to the list.


6 posted on 11/04/2008 10:05:56 PM PST by o2bfree
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To: PhiloBedo

I haven’t looked at the totals but think McCain’s problems were much more than VA and IN.


7 posted on 11/04/2008 10:06:18 PM PST by stevem
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To: PhiloBedo

Oh, stop it. Barr barely outpulled Nader and that crackhead Cynthia McKinney. And vote fraud likely dwarfed them all.


8 posted on 11/04/2008 10:06:50 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: dr_who
I know of 2 who just so HATED Bush that they are hardly rational on the subject.

Barr and his like let their own egos ruin any realistic hope of stopping the obamanation.

9 posted on 11/04/2008 10:06:58 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: Tamar1973
Don’t blame Bob Barr because the GOP put a RINO at the head of the party.
No blame for that, plenty for helping elect a Euro-Socialst-Marxist..way to stand on "principle" Barr!
10 posted on 11/04/2008 10:07:53 PM PST by WoodstockCat (General Honore: "The storm gets a vote... We're not stuck on stupid.")
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To: PhiloBedo
Looking at the tallies, all those Bob Barr supporters, knowing full well he didn't have a chance in hell of winning anything, cost McCain IN and VA. Thanks a lot!

Well, okay, but McCain also lost Ohio, Penn., and Florida. Is that Barr's fault too.

Note: I'm not a Barr supporter.

11 posted on 11/04/2008 10:08:56 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: rdl6989

ACORN effect


12 posted on 11/04/2008 10:09:08 PM PST by PhiloBedo (I won't be happy until Jet-A is less than $2.00 a gallon)
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To: PhiloBedo

Bob Barr is hereby declared a lifetime Ratfinkavich and forever exiled from my affections.

Win 10-15 house seats Bob and then your stupid 3rd party can talk about pretending to run a presidential candidate.

Also: I now hate McCain again. The truce is over.


13 posted on 11/04/2008 10:10:40 PM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: Tamar1973
"Don’t blame Bob Barr because the GOP put a RINO at the head of the party."

BINGO.

In typical RINO fashion, McCain fought this election with all the passion of a flaccid......zucchini.

Of course you could also be referring to GW Bushco.

14 posted on 11/04/2008 10:11:44 PM PST by AC-130 Gunship (0bama voters: Damning us all to hell in the name of "diversity.")
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To: dr_who

To teach moderates a lesson. I’m several clicks to the right of El Rushbo, but i understand the election was between McCain and Obama, and Obama wasn’t a choice.


15 posted on 11/04/2008 10:11:44 PM PST by PhiloBedo (I won't be happy until Jet-A is less than $2.00 a gallon)
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To: Tamar1973
"Don’t blame Bob Barr because the GOP put a RINO at the head of the party."

BINGO.

In typical RINO fashion, McCain fought this election with all the passion of a flaccid......zucchini.

Of course you could also be referring to GW Bushco.

16 posted on 11/04/2008 10:12:07 PM PST by AC-130 Gunship (0bama voters: D@mning us all to hell in the name of "diversity.")
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To: PhiloBedo

McCain cost McCain the election. All that reaching across the aisle spilled votes from his pockets...


17 posted on 11/04/2008 10:12:18 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: PhiloBedo

congrats to the dope heads that support the libertardian party. You voted for your lib, mulatto, gay boy,Bobb Barr and helped us elect a marxist


18 posted on 11/04/2008 10:12:33 PM PST by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: PhiloBedo

I’m stunned at Indiana. I honestly thought McCain would take the state by 5-8 points.

Man...


19 posted on 11/04/2008 10:12:45 PM PST by DemforBush (I voted for Palin and I'd do it again - Onward to 2012!)
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To: PhiloBedo

I would nt blame Barr. McCain is weak and a moderate who got in bed with the Democrats way too many times. We need to purge the party of anything not conservative. Starting with McCain and Colin Powell.


20 posted on 11/04/2008 10:13:02 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Stop the Marxists from getting control of the government !!!!)
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To: PhiloBedo
Looking at the tallies, all those Bob Barr supporters, knowing full well he didn't have a chance in hell of winning anything, cost McCain IN and VA. Thanks a lot!

Give it up already!

McCain lost because he was such a lousy GOP candidate.

He would have made a great Democrat candidate, but he sucks as a Republican.
21 posted on 11/04/2008 10:13:49 PM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: PhiloBedo

BS newbie. If the GOP had fielded a legit conservative, the GOP candidate would have gotten the majority of that vote. So you should thank the party that led us into the wilderness instead.


22 posted on 11/04/2008 10:14:11 PM PST by Sir Gawain (Dear President Obama, where's my free stuff?)
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To: PhiloBedo

How do you know that the Barr votes would have gone to McCain? Do you really think Barr is more responsible for McCain’s loss than McCain is?


23 posted on 11/04/2008 10:15:46 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: rdl6989
I can’t believe Indiana is lost.

I believe it. I studied the voter trends and demographics for 18 months. Repeatly told State and National leaders where problems existed but was told repeatedly told that IN was in the bag for McCain. Even folks on FR countered my statements saying IN was in the bag for McCain.

Well, with 99% of the vote in and without Lake County votes, specifically Gary, Hussein is leading 50%-49%. In the morning the electoral maps will show Indiana as a blue state.

24 posted on 11/04/2008 10:15:47 PM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98...Ain't no Newbie!)
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To: PhiloBedo

The jackasses that throw their votes to third parties are always, well, jackasses. Even if Coleman wins, that race is close for the same reason.


25 posted on 11/04/2008 10:16:12 PM PST by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: PhiloBedo

I don’t know that Barr voters would necessarily have voted for McCain had Barr not run but that’s still no reason not to lob a few rotten eggs his way just out of “principle”.
Please make a video of it and hit him in the side of the head so he has to remove his glasses and wipe it off in total humiliation.


26 posted on 11/04/2008 10:16:14 PM PST by fortunate sun (Hand out the arms and ammo, We're going to blast our way through here)
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To: hoosierham

I don’t think that an over-size ego is the thing that makes people run as Libertarians. I think that’s what makes people run as Democrats. The thing that drives Libertarians is an uncompromising ideology. Even if some of it doesn’t translate into a workable political agenda, the attractiveness of it keeps it on life support from one election to the next. Probably the real reason that Barr ran was that he wasn’t happy with some of the things that Bush was doing on account of the WoT and he didn’t trust McCain or any of the other nominees last spring to take a step back from the course that Bush has put us on. And to tell the truth, I think he’s probably on to something even though I decided on McCain months ago. Check out Reason.com for glowing articles about Bob Barr.


27 posted on 11/04/2008 10:16:29 PM PST by dr_who
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To: WoodstockCat

McCain’s inability to seal the deal was not Barr’s fault.


28 posted on 11/04/2008 10:16:45 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Catch the Korean Wave, one Bae Yong Joon film at a time!)
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To: Sir Gawain

Thank the independents and the democrats (not the party this time) who picked our nominee.


29 posted on 11/04/2008 10:16:56 PM PST by TAdams8591 (McCain/Palin ' 08 (Obama IS a socialist!))
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To: Dead Corpse

not really. He got pretty much the same % of Republicans that Bush got. The difference is that there are about 7,500,000 fewer Republicans this time. Along with close to 3,000,000 more Democrats.

If McCain had did what he did tonight with the electorate Bush had in 2004 he would have won with around 51% of the vote.

He kept the votes from the GOP, there’s just a lot less of us thean there were four years ago. He lost independents by a slight margin from Bush, but it was the change from 37-37 to 39-33 Dem taht really did him in. He actually did better with inependents in OH for example.


30 posted on 11/04/2008 10:18:06 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: ColdSteelTalon

I live in VA and came very close to voting for Barr. I supported Ron Paul in the primary, but I held my nose and voted for McCain because I didn’t want to help hand the state to Obama and make the dems think that they have some kind of mandate. Well, a lot of good that did...The republican party really needs to get back to its small gov’t roots if it wants to have a future.


31 posted on 11/04/2008 10:18:51 PM PST by nickm71
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To: PhiloBedo

I think McCain reaching across the aisle and trying to get “moderate” votes did more than anything else


32 posted on 11/04/2008 10:22:22 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Obama for President!)
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To: jeltz25
Interesting take on the numbers. Small comfort now that Marxism has pretty much a free hand.

Care to place a wager that the GOP swings entirely the wrong way? That they try to capitulate even MORE to the Left?

33 posted on 11/04/2008 10:22:48 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: PhiloBedo
Looking at the tallies, all those Bob Barr supporters, knowing full well he didn't have a chance in hell of winning anything, cost McCain IN and VA.

Fu*king idiots.

34 posted on 11/04/2008 10:24:32 PM PST by DocH (Osama Obama: Leader of an America-Hating Socialist /Black Nationalist Sleeper Cell)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

Why did Indiana go blue? I truly don’t know.


35 posted on 11/04/2008 10:26:09 PM PST by Aria ("An America that could elect Sarah Palin might still save itself." Vin Suprynowicz)
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To: PhiloBedo
There many NEVER be another honest election in the United States..
Voter fraud is being polished by democrats as a viable tactic..
From this time on voter fraud will only get bigger and more entrenched..

Probably the rpeublican primarys were fraudulent as well.. thats how we even got John McLaim..

36 posted on 11/04/2008 10:32:55 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: PhiloBedo

Prepare to hear the same old garbage about how “it’s not my fault that the GOP candidate didn’t meet my standards.”

Horse manure and a pox on your house.

Any conservative who could not figure out that he needed to vote to DEFEAT OBAMA by voting for McCain gets no respect from me.

It was bad enough when this same crowd gave us Bubba via Ross Perot. But this will make those years look like a mere rerun of “Animal House.”


37 posted on 11/04/2008 10:36:30 PM PST by fightinJAG (Click on the source link of stories that deserve "legs.")
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To: PhiloBedo
NO - the RINO Bush caused many to vote for a different party. Bush & his ineptness (puppeteers pulling the strings)caused the revolt. And RINO McLame that the Illuminati got nominated won big - as usual with installing a further One World Order.
38 posted on 11/04/2008 10:37:39 PM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: Tamar1973

Of course not. The people to be blamed are those who knew very well what Obama is about and still couldn’t lift a finger to DEFEAT him by voting for McCain.

That’s politically criminal and deserves every ounce of revulsion it gets.


39 posted on 11/04/2008 10:37:45 PM PST by fightinJAG (Click on the source link of stories that deserve "legs.")
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To: nickcarraway

It’s the candidate’s job to get the votes?

Brother.

It’s the voter’s job to hire the best available candidate, including the one who is NOT a Marxist.


40 posted on 11/04/2008 10:38:49 PM PST by fightinJAG (Click on the source link of stories that deserve "legs.")
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

How in the world does anything justify or provide a legitimate rationale for EVER wasting your vote rather than using it to try to defeat a Marxist, much less wasting your vote in a battleground state?

Stuck on stupid.

We will never win with this type of attitude and ignorance.


41 posted on 11/04/2008 10:41:41 PM PST by fightinJAG (Take personal responsibility for the impact of your vote on the election.)
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To: AC-130 Gunship
i>In typical RINO fashion, McCain fought this election with all the passion of a flaccid......zucchini.

McCain was a setup. He was given the Republican nomination by Dhimmicrap crossovers who knew he was the most beatable candidate the GOP had. The only good thing he did the entire campaign was to find Sarah Barracuda. A star is born!

42 posted on 11/04/2008 10:41:56 PM PST by TBP
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To: PhiloBedo

NO.

No, no, goodness no.

McCain failed. It was he himself who couldn’t attract support because the only value he stood for was that he could “reach across the aisle” which only begged the question why then the voter shouldn’t just “reach across the aisle” and save him the effort.


43 posted on 11/04/2008 10:42:04 PM PST by eclecticEel (men who believe deeply in something, even wrong, usually triumph over men who believe in nothing)
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To: PhiloBedo

I don’t owe McLame my vote just because he’s a Republican. I owe McCain no loyalty if he refuses to stand firm for what I believe.

The hell with parties and labels. I voted for Barr, did it proudly, and would do so again. I didn’t have to shame myself by voting for the Manchurian RINO.

Sorry, GOP, but if you want my vote, I need a few things:

**Be conservative
**Stop nation-building
**Quit pandering to the left
**Quit using the WoT as an excuse to roll back the Bill of Rights
**McCain specifically: Quit trying to abolish the first amendment (McCain-Feingold)
**Quite using tax dollars to bail out banks

Until then, I’m voting “Libtardian.” That’s life when you’re dealing with people of character.


44 posted on 11/04/2008 10:42:22 PM PST by thepresenceusmc (Libertarians...refusing to settle for RINO since 1971)
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To: Aria
First and possibly most important there was absolutely no effort to counter Hussein's non-stop advertising and campaigning east of Lake County (Lake CO borders Cook County and Chicago.) Although heavy union Porter, LaPorte and St Joe counties have always trended republican by 1-2%. Absolutely no money spend here.

Another reason was the economy in NW Indiana. This area was heavy into the RV industry. With the increase in fuel prices the botton dropped out of the RV industry with layoffs and manufacturing plant closures. Those supporting the industry also felt the effect. Layoffs mean lots of unemployed union workers looking for a handout. Who better to provide that handout than Hussein. Kerry carried Marion County (Indianapolis) in 2004 by 4-5%. McCain paid Indy a visit one or two times and Palin visited the state 2 or 3 times....Hussein made 50 plus visits and spent millions here in the state.

McCain could have won this state. Poor planning on his part. Instead of spending time in Colorado (lost there 8-10%) he could have spent 2-3 days here to collect 17 electoral votes.

45 posted on 11/04/2008 10:44:36 PM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98...Ain't no Newbie!)
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To: Dead Corpse
Care to place a wager that the GOP swings entirely the wrong way? That they try to capitulate even MORE to the Left?

Wouldn't surprise me at all. Republicans have a virtually infinite capacity for learning the wrong lesson.

Also, the moderates hate conservatives so much that they would rather lose than allow conservatives to win. So they'll continue their suicidal, losing strategy as long as the Dhimmicraps keep playing golf with them and being nice and sociable to them.

46 posted on 11/04/2008 10:45:14 PM PST by TBP
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To: TBP
I completely agree with your theory. McCain was the lamest candidate possible....AND, he refused to battle like a warrior.

P.S. - Speaking of "warriors," I don't think the NWO overlords EVER thought Sarah Palin would become the Rock Star of the GOP.

47 posted on 11/04/2008 10:45:50 PM PST by AC-130 Gunship (0bama voters: D@mning us all to hell in the name of "diversity.")
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To: PhiloBedo

McCain cost McCain the election.


48 posted on 11/04/2008 10:46:10 PM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: AC-130 Gunship
I don't think the NWO overlords EVER thought Sarah Palin would become the Rock Star of the GOP.

That's why one of them reportedly described her as a "rogue candidate."

49 posted on 11/04/2008 10:48:02 PM PST by TBP
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To: PhiloBedo

One of the first things we need to do is quit voting for these third-party loonies. No one is ever good enough so we get stuck with the worst of the lot, thanks to the votes wasted on candidates with no chance.


50 posted on 11/04/2008 10:48:35 PM PST by MHT
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