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Jerry Brown's wording may trip up Prop. 8
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Sunday, October 26, 2008 | Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross

Posted on 10/26/2008 8:40:36 AM PDT by nickcarraway

If same-sex marriage survives next week's ballot challenge, it will largely be due to state Attorney General Jerry Brown.

It was Brown's office that decided on the final ballot description for Proposition 8, the proposed constitutional amendment to ban gay and lesbian weddings.

And by changing the way the measure was framed in its title and summary, Brown just might have tipped the balance in what looks to be a close election.

Here's the story:

Prop. 8 asks voters to affirm that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California" - a concept that voters overwhelmingly backed when they approved Proposition 22 in 2000.

Voters still favor the traditional definition of marriage, 49 to 47 percent, according to the most recent Public Policy Institute of California poll.

However, in the wake of the state Supreme Court decision in May legalizing same-sex marriage, Brown worded Prop. 8's ballot description to specify that it "eliminates the right of same-sex couples to marry."

The proponents' original title for Prop. 8 was "Limit on Marriage." What voters see on their ballot pamphlet, thanks to Brown, is, "Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry."

Prop. 8 supporters accused Brown of playing politics and went to court.

They lost. The new language went on the ballot, and pollsters said support for the ban dropped by eight points - with the most recent PPIC survey showing 52 percent of likely voters now opposing the ban.

"It all depends on how you ask the question," said Sacramento pollster Jim Moore of J. Moore Methods.

"When you ask people what they believe, you get one answer," he said. "But when you ask someone to take away something from somebody else, it seems unfair."

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2008election; california; gaystapo; homosexualagenda; jerrybrown; moralabsolutes; moralrelativism; prop8; proposition8; queerlybeloved; samesexmarriage; sfchronicle; shamwording; traditionalmarriage

1 posted on 10/26/2008 8:40:37 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Ping


2 posted on 10/26/2008 8:41:12 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

My question is this:

When someone polls you by asking, “do you support TAKING AWAY the RIGHTS of same-sex couples to marry?”

Do you think they answer the pollster truthfully?


3 posted on 10/26/2008 8:42:52 AM PDT by rom (Keep Senator Government from Spreading YOUR Wealth! McCain/Palin '08!)
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To: nickcarraway

Jerry Brown, Career politician, never had a real job in his life


4 posted on 10/26/2008 8:45:44 AM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: realcleanguy

or Jerry Brown.. there’s a name for a Career Politician.


5 posted on 10/26/2008 8:47:39 AM PDT by Ancient Drive
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To: nickcarraway
Jerry Brown opposed Prop. 13 too - in 1978. The day after it passed, he became one of its most zealous backers. That's why people are cynical about politicians.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 10/26/2008 8:53:38 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: nickcarraway

What do you expect from a guy who wasn’t legally qualified to run for the office, but didn’t let that stop him?


7 posted on 10/26/2008 9:00:55 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Ancient Drive
or Jerry Brown.. there’s a name for a Career Politician.

Whew, that's the truth.
It seems like decades ago he was running for President. And decades before that he was governor of California. The guy looks well-preserved for 92.

8 posted on 10/26/2008 9:01:53 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: nickcarraway

Michael Weiner supported the known leftist Jerry Brown with thousands of dollars over a good republican, as Michael Savage he will probably work up a radio bit against the godless liberals ruining our country in California.


9 posted on 10/26/2008 9:27:34 AM PDT by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: nickcarraway

By the way, speaking of faux conservatives (which I was on another thread a minute ago), let us stop to praise Michael Savage’s legal-maximum donation to Jerry Brown in ‘06. Just a reminder; he was an early avatar of a new breed of turncoat traitor that might yet give us President Obama. After Nov. 4, there will be many slithering snakes to purge from the GOP and the ranks of “conservative” pundits. Just sayin’.


10 posted on 10/26/2008 9:45:01 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([In the primaries, vote "FOR". In the general, vote "AGAINST". ...See? Easy.])
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
The RINOs are already showing us their true colors. Good riddance!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

11 posted on 10/26/2008 9:49:21 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: ansel12

Great minds. We wrote simultaneously but I went for tea with the post confirmation page waiting for its button-press.


12 posted on 10/26/2008 9:49:44 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([In the primaries, vote "FOR". In the general, vote "AGAINST". ...See? Easy.])
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To: rom

I would but I haven’t been polled in years.


13 posted on 10/26/2008 4:30:19 PM PDT by newzjunkey (CA: YES on PROP 4. *** MCCAIN-PALIN ***)
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To: realcleanguy
Brown did the RIGHT thing here. As soon as the first gays could legally marry in CA, he had an obligation to reframe the proposition to reflect the new circumstances.

After $60 million in donations, anyone "tricked" by Prop 8 is dumber than the brainless butterfly ballot voters of Palm Beach, FL, in 2000.

14 posted on 10/26/2008 4:38:12 PM PDT by newzjunkey (CA: YES on PROP 4. *** MCCAIN-PALIN ***)
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To: Swordmaker; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Valley School Boycott?
(parents who support Prop 8 are pulling their children out of class)
http://abclocal.go.com | 10/26/2008 | abclocal.go.com
Posted on 10/26/2008 1:15:48 PM PDT by Maelstorm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2115835/posts

Prop 8 Fight Gets Ugly (Arrests, a scuffle and vandalism)
http://www.nbcsandiego.com | Sun, Oct 26, 2008 | Sun, Oct 26, 2008
Posted on 10/26/2008 1:34:20 PM PDT by Maelstorm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2115847/posts


15 posted on 10/26/2008 7:53:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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To: newzjunkey

Brown did not do the right - he played politics - as he always does.


16 posted on 10/27/2008 9:21:15 PM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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