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Same-sex marriage debate growing ugly in San Jose and beyond as campaign intensifies
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 21 October 2008 | Mike Swift and Sandra Gonzales

Posted on 10/21/2008 10:45:08 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture

For the past three days, Michele and Bob Sundstrom and their five children have been painfully aware of the SUV parked in front of their house with a message painted on the rear windshield that says: "Bigots live here."

Their neighborhood near Blossom Hill Road has suddenly become the center of a political tempest over Proposition 8, the ballot measure to ban same-sex marriage.

The Sundstroms said they were stunned on Sunday afternoon when two women parked a Chevrolet Suburban in front of their home and began painting slogans on the SUV to counter the family's huge "Protect Marriage Yes on 8 banner'' hanging above their garage. "Stop Bigots,'' one window read. "God Hates Haters,'' read another.

"All I see when I look at that vehicle is venom and hate,'' said Bob Sundstrom, who said he tried to speak to the women, who walked away and left the SUV behind.

The drama playing out in front of Sundstroms' house on Harwood Road appears to reflect an emerging trend. Supporters and opponents report a growing lack of civility and tensions running high throughout the state as Election Day nears.

The Sundstroms called police but were told there was no crime, and nothing they could do to move the SUV — except wait. If the vehicle is not moved within 72 hours, sometime this afternoon, it can be towed.

Police say they went to the home of the SUV's registered owners, but no one answered the door. The Mercury News tracked the vehicle's license plate to Mara McWilliams and Renee Mangrum, who could not be reached Tuesday.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: blueshirts; gaystapo; godhatinghaters; homosexualagenda; intolerantleft; leftwingbigots; marriage; prop8; proposition8; samesexmarriage; yeson8

1 posted on 10/21/2008 10:45:08 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Defend your property people.


2 posted on 10/21/2008 10:49:11 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: CounterCounterCulture

It sure would be a shame if some of those Earth Liberation guys torched that Evil Gas Guzzling SUV, wouldn’t it?

Just saying...


3 posted on 10/21/2008 10:57:37 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two wolves and one sheep deciding what's for dinner.)
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To: Maelstorm

You can’t control the street.


4 posted on 10/21/2008 10:58:58 PM PDT by freeplancer
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To: CounterCounterCulture

put a sign on it.....”free car....can’t pay lease”....


5 posted on 10/21/2008 10:59:48 PM PDT by spokeshave (0bambi wants to kill babies and raise taxes, Sarah wants to raise babies and kill taxes)
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To: Kickass Conservative

is it a crime to let the air out of the tires, or throw tarps over the SUV?


6 posted on 10/21/2008 11:00:18 PM PDT by tioga
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To: spokeshave

Ohhhh.......good one!


7 posted on 10/21/2008 11:00:56 PM PDT by tioga
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Lefties, showing their intolerance.

I think that they are becoming bolder in their intolerance because of the obama campaign and msm.


8 posted on 10/21/2008 11:06:44 PM PDT by machogirl (alan colmes gives me a headache, and I am Joe the plumber)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Is the vehicle is parked on private property.. have it towed away.
I wonder ? can the owner of this SUV get a citation for abandoning a vehicle ? did they get proper permits to hold a protest if it is a public road ?
9 posted on 10/21/2008 11:07:49 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

>message painted on the rear windshield

1) Just cover it!
2) turpentine!


10 posted on 10/21/2008 11:08:16 PM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution [is] for a [Christian] people. It is wholly inadequate [for] any other. -John Adams)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Public street in front of private property. Can only tow if left for 72 hours straight.


11 posted on 10/21/2008 11:09:12 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Yes on California Proposition 8; thwart the radical homosexual movement)
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To: freeplancer

I’ve found in life that one can do much more than they think if they have the will to just do it. One could drape a tarp over the vehicle. There are so many things one could indeed do.


12 posted on 10/21/2008 11:09:30 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: tioga
Spray paint the signs flat black. No problema
13 posted on 10/21/2008 11:10:15 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Kickass Conservative

Man I feel it too.


14 posted on 10/21/2008 11:10:58 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: CounterCounterCulture

ic... if it is a public street,,, then ? what are the local codes for public demonstrations or protest and if they need a permit ... if they need a permit.. then, it’s a illegal public demonstration or protest.


15 posted on 10/21/2008 11:12:40 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Hang a sign on the vehicle, free for scrap.


16 posted on 10/21/2008 11:12:56 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Have others park other cars around it so they can’t get the SUV out.


17 posted on 10/21/2008 11:13:42 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: tioga

Well, you could get a car cover, paint “Merry Christmas” on it, and see what they do. After all, everybody loves getting Christmas presents.

There is nothing more depressing than an ungrateful Lesbian Couple, don’t you think? LOL


18 posted on 10/21/2008 11:15:47 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two wolves and one sheep deciding what's for dinner.)
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To: Maelstorm
" I’ve found in life that one can do much more than they think if they have the will to just do it. One could drape a tarp over the vehicle. There are so many things one could indeed do. "

I agree with you, but ? Freepers ? PLEASE ??!!! what ever you do... talk to a lawyer, and KNOW your rights... and protect you selves legally... C.Y.A.... we know the liberals would use the system ( that is rigged in their favor ) against us.
19 posted on 10/21/2008 11:16:26 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Is anyone here on FR that live in that area ? can you check the local codes for public protest and demonstrations ?
20 posted on 10/21/2008 11:18:46 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
To the NO side if you're for a husband and wife kinda family, you're a bigot. They're just charming.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

21 posted on 10/21/2008 11:22:52 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Someone should get the license plate number and check with the motor vehicles administration and see if the owner has un paid traffic tickets or parking tickets and call the police... the police could impound the car.


22 posted on 10/21/2008 11:23:02 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
I wonder if this person has defaulted on their car loan ? .... if so... maybe a Repo man can repossess the SUV.
23 posted on 10/21/2008 11:26:38 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Most cities have a 72hr parking limit.

Call parking enforcement and have it removed.

24 posted on 10/21/2008 11:29:08 PM PDT by South40
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Abandonment Prohibited : California Law
25 posted on 10/21/2008 11:33:50 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Maelstorm

This would never happen on my street....


26 posted on 10/21/2008 11:37:50 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (Proud Father of 2 US Marines. Support our troops!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
San Jose Traffic Enforcement
27 posted on 10/21/2008 11:45:53 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Spread the word in ‘some’ neighborhoods that there is an abandoned SUV on the street, and as you recall the driver referred to Mexicans as bigots.


28 posted on 10/21/2008 11:52:58 PM PDT by OneHun
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To: CounterCounterCulture
"Bigots live here."

How ironic, given the definition of "bigot":

a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

So this family has the opinion that marriage should be protected as the natural, traditional, and holy union of a man and woman. To that end, they are voting.

Compare the lesbians. They are for gay marriage, a radical minority immoral unnatural position, and their reaction? Not just vote. But terrorize a family with a differing opinion.

Who is the bigot?
29 posted on 10/21/2008 11:55:41 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh (I cling to guns and religion.)
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To: Maelstorm

.......YES ON PROP 8

.......YES ON PROP 8

.........WHERE ARE YOUR MORALS???


30 posted on 10/21/2008 11:57:12 PM PDT by joydocsusie (ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE NO RIGHT TO OUR SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY OR ANYTHING IN AMERICA WH)
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To: Maelstorm

.......YES ON PROP 8

.......YES ON PROP 8

.........WHERE ARE YOUR MORALS???


31 posted on 10/21/2008 11:57:12 PM PDT by joydocsusie (ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE NO RIGHT TO OUR SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY OR ANYTHING IN AMERICA WH)
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To: South40

There are two possible tactics that I think would be effective, here:

TACTIC 1 — The Brute Force of Law

Since the Vehicle Code says...

Removal of Abandoned Vehicles
22669.
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(d) Motor vehicles which are parked, resting, or otherwise immobilized on any highway or public right-of-way and which lack an engine, transmission, wheels, tires, doors, windshield, or any other part or equipment necessary to operate safely on the highways of this state, are hereby declared a hazard to public health, safety, and welfare and may be removed immediately upon discovery by a peace officer or other designated employee of the state, county, or city.

...just pick a wheel, any wheel.

Remove it, leaving it with the vehicle, and leave the elevated hub sitting nicely on something appropriate; a cinder block or stack of scrap 2x4s.

Phone the P.D. regarding “a hazard to public health, safety, and welfare” citing the above-noted section of the Vehicle Code, and wait for the offending rig to vanish.

TACTIC 2 — The Iron Fist of Humiliation in The Velvet Glove of Giving

At this end of the spectrum there’s the “nice them into abject humiliation” routine. Go out to the curb and REALLY wash the thing. Shoot the works. Take some GOOF-OFF to the nasty paint job, then soap it up, power rinse it down, wax it, buff it out, polish up the chrome, scrub the rims, put a little dressing on the tires. Give it the royal treatment.

It’s been there long enough, now, that all the neighbors would notice, and — with such a dramatic before/after — there’d be no way any of them could sustain agreement with the former signage.

Oh, and don’t forget the coup d’gras: leave a note to the effect that “Thanks for the opportunity to serve you. We hope you enjoy your vehicle all the more now that it’s freshly washed and waxed.”

For expediency, I like TACTIC 1, but for long-term delivery of fresh crow, I REALLY like TACTIC 2.


32 posted on 10/22/2008 12:05:01 AM PDT by HKMk23 (If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose.)
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I helped put together "Yes on 8" signs on the same street not too far from where this couple lives. They live across the street from a school and have a large sign over their garage (after their original lawn sign got stolen) which is easily visable to the school. Here's a KPIX-5 news video
33 posted on 10/22/2008 12:05:11 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Yes on California Proposition 8; thwart the radical homosexual movement)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Answer: These Lesbians


34 posted on 10/22/2008 12:06:38 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Yes on California Proposition 8; thwart the radical homosexual movement)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
How is this not HARASSMENT?? It is clearly directed specifically at this family.

Would it be ok if this family parked a car in front of the SUV owner's house and wrote BIGOTED KESBIANS LIVE HERE? Or would THAT constitute a 'hate crime.'

The children are getting a lesson in leftist facism.

35 posted on 10/22/2008 12:24:18 AM PDT by informavoracious (Oust all incumbents.)
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To: informavoracious

KESBIANS=L


36 posted on 10/22/2008 12:25:28 AM PDT by informavoracious (Oust all incumbents.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

channel locks meet valve stems.


37 posted on 10/22/2008 12:52:48 AM PDT by NoLibZone (As insane as McCain is , my principles can't allow someone like Huessein to be president.)
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To: tioga

Rather than destroy it, put a lien on it. Get a sherrif’s title to help defray the cost of the vandalism done to their property.


38 posted on 10/22/2008 1:30:15 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: HKMk23
By Jupiter, your second suggestion is brilliant! A tip o' my hat to you.
39 posted on 10/22/2008 1:47:39 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Genesis 19:1-7
The two angels reached Sodom in the evening, as Lot was sitting at the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he got up to greet them; and bowing down with his face to the ground,

he said, “Please, gentlemen, come aside into your servant’s house for the night, and bathe your feet; you can get up early to continue your journey.” But they replied, “No, we shall pass the night in the town square.”

He urged them so strongly, however, that they turned aside to his place and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking cakes without leaven, and they dined.

Before they went to bed, all the townsmen of Sodom, both young and old—all the people to the last man—closed in on the house.

They called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to your house tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intimacies with them.”

Lot went out to meet them at the entrance. When he had shut the door behind him,

he said, “I beg you, my brothers, not to do this wicked thing.


40 posted on 10/22/2008 3:50:30 AM PDT by olezip
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To: freeplancer

“You can’t control the street.”

Sure you can. Get a bucket of maggot infested garbage, dump it on the SUV and have it declared a public nuisance.


41 posted on 10/22/2008 5:07:21 AM PDT by sergeantdave (We are entering the Age of the Idiot)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Easy enough. A paintball gun with several hundred rounds strategically placed should obliterate such hatred (on the SUV.)


42 posted on 10/22/2008 5:53:48 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: sergeantdave

You are correct. You can control the street with tactics like those. That would be hillarious.


43 posted on 10/22/2008 1:14:59 PM PDT by freeplancer
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