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Joe Biden: Catholic Can be Pro-Abortion, Misstates Effect of Roe v. Wade
Life News ^ | 10/21/08 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 10/21/2008 3:53:38 PM PDT by wagglebee

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Barack Obama running mate Joe Biden is coming under scrutiny for a new interview in which he says he thinks Catholics can support abortion. Biden also comes under fire for misstating the effect of Roe v. Wade and denying that it allows virtually unlimited abortions throughout pregnancy.

In the interview with the Delaware News Journal, Biden talks about how he can reconcile his pro-abortion views with his Catholic faith.

"It's very difficult," Biden says. "I was raised as a Catholic, I'm a practicing Catholic, and I'm totally at home with the Catholicism that I was raised in and this whole culture of social responsibility."

Biden goes on to misrepresent the position of the Catholic Church on abortion in a way that has gotten him in trouble recently.

"But throughout the church's history, we've argued between whether or not it is wrong in every circumstance and the degree of wrong. Catholics have this notion, it's almost a gradation," Biden claimed.

In September, a previous mischaracterization of Catholic teaching earned Biden a rebuke from Catholic bishops.

Cardinal Justin F. Rigali, chairman of the U.S. Bishops’ Committee on Pro-Life Activities, and Bishop William E. Lori, chairman, U.S. Bishops Committee on Doctrine, took Biden to task.

"The senator's claim that the beginning of human life is a 'personal and private' matter of religious faith, one which cannot be 'imposed' on others, does not reflect Catholic teaching," they said.

Biden tells the Delaware newspaper that he believes in the trimester-based approach to regulating abortions that allows more limits on abortions as the baby grows.

"I am prepared as a senator to say that the framework of Roe v. Wade based upon this imperfect trimester notion captures the gravity of how you should approach this most serious of decisions relating to life and death," he said.

But Douglas Johnson, the legislative director of National Right to Life, says Biden "badly mischaracterizes the Supreme Court's doctrines on abortion."

"In 1992, the Supreme Court reaffirmed the 'core holdings' of Roe v. Wade on a vote of 5 to 4," Johnson explained. "At the same time, the Court explicitly repudiated any distinction whatever between the first and second trimester, writing, 'We reject the trimester framework, which we do not consider to be part of the essential holding of Roe.'"

That is important because Roe actually allows unlimited abortions at any point in pregnancy, Johnson said.

"In the Roe original decision, and in many subsequent decisions, the Court made it clear that abortion had to be allowed for any reason through the second trimester," he said.

"Even after 'viability,' the Court said that states could not restrict abortion sought for reasons of 'health' defined to include 'all factors -- physical, emotional, psychological, familial and the woman's age -- relevant to the well-being of the patient,'" Johnson explained. "In other words, 'health' means whatever an abortionist wants it to mean."

Johnson goes on to say that the bill Obama supports in Congress that would overturn every abortion limit in all 50 states "would nullify any state or federal policy that would 'interfere with' access to abortion for any reason before 'viability.'"

"The bill would also prohibit any law or policy that would interfere with access to abortion after 'viability' if justified by a 'health' claim -- and states would be powerless to narrow the meaning of that all-encompassing term," he said.

As a result, the bill would make partial-birth abortion legal again, nullify all state parental notification laws, and require tax-funded abortion on demand in both federal and state health programs.

On July 17, 2007, Barack Obama stood before the convention of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund and said, "The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. That's the first thing I'd do."



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Joe, you should stick with plagiarism, you have a better chance of being right.
1 posted on 10/21/2008 3:53:38 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 10/21/2008 3:54:14 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 10/21/2008 3:54:32 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I hope to God I never see Joe Biden in the flesh. I would be arrested for assault.


4 posted on 10/21/2008 3:56:54 PM PDT by pray4liberty (The Lord is on the side of the truly righteous. The MSM is not.)
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To: wagglebee

May God have mercy on obama and Joe.

Judgement Day is coming.


5 posted on 10/21/2008 3:56:55 PM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (No way in Hell will Obama be my President. Over my dead body. I have one King, and obama ain't Him.)
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Joe, If you could just plagiarize the Catechism of the Catholic Church I wouldn't be offended and I'm sure the Church wouldn't either.
6 posted on 10/21/2008 3:57:28 PM PDT by frogjerk (Palin's record is on the record, while whole years of Obama's life are engulfed in fog - T. Sowell)
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The Scrpture According to Joe.

Now there's a wild thought!

7 posted on 10/21/2008 3:57:45 PM PDT by llevrok (Milton Friedman! Please come home!!!)
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Some bishop has got to have the guts to formally excommunicate this guy. Pleeeeese...


8 posted on 10/21/2008 3:57:55 PM PDT by livius
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and I'm totally at home with the Catholicism that I was raised in

That would be the Cafeteria sect.

9 posted on 10/21/2008 3:58:26 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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"It's very difficult," Biden says. "I was raised as a Catholic, I'm a practicing Catholic, and I'm totally at home with the Catholicism that I was raised in and this whole culture of social responsibility."

I'd love to know where Joe is hearing Mass and probably receiving Holy Communion because it certainly isn't in his home Diocese's of Scranton or Wilmington.

10 posted on 10/21/2008 4:00:43 PM PDT by frogjerk (Palin's record is on the record, while whole years of Obama's life are engulfed in fog - T. Sowell)
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"It's very difficult," Biden says. "I was raised as a Catholic, I'm a practicing Catholic, and I'm totally at home with the Catholicism that I was raised in and this whole culture of social responsibility."

according to plugs biden being pro-infanticide is being "socially responsible". what a slime.

11 posted on 10/21/2008 4:01:21 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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He IS plagiarising - didn't we just go through this with Nancy Pelosi??? Didn't several Bishops correct her 'views'?

Every man/woman thinks he's his/her own Pope.

12 posted on 10/21/2008 4:04:09 PM PDT by informavoracious (Oust all incumbents.)
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"...and I'm totally at home with the Catholicism that I was raised in..."

Which, unfortunately for you, Joe, bears absolutely no resemblance to actual Catholic doctrine or teaching.

I'm no longer a practicing Catholic but I know Biden's dead wrong again.

13 posted on 10/21/2008 4:04:23 PM PDT by Pablo64 (What is popular is not always right. What is right is not always popular.)
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No,Mr Biden....Unitarian/Universalists who delude themselves into thinking they're Catholics can support the killing of children....but *not* genuine Catholics.
14 posted on 10/21/2008 4:05:29 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bin ein beginner")
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15 posted on 10/21/2008 4:06:18 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: livius

It wouldn’t matter to him. He cares about catholicism about as much as a typical Florida Jew cares about Judaism. JINO and CINO.


16 posted on 10/21/2008 4:06:30 PM PDT by Terry Mross (O)
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To: wagglebee

STAND UP, CHUCK! No, wait, he was aborted. Aw darn, G— bless him. Let’s all stand up for aborted Chuck.


17 posted on 10/21/2008 4:06:35 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Bombing Billy Ayers-the Timothy McVeigh of his generation.)
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Joe, you should stick with plagiarism,

Yeah, Joe; try plagiarizing the Catholic Catechism!

18 posted on 10/21/2008 4:12:17 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: wagglebee

Nope he’s got it all wrong. Respecting life from the moment of conception until death is a moral issue. We charge the POTUS and VPOTUS to defend and protect all Americans, from the time they are in the womb until they draw their last breath.

I’m so proud of the Catholic Bishops in the US coming out and really educating the Catholic faithful about the election this year.


19 posted on 10/21/2008 4:21:52 PM PDT by DocT111
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Joe Biden: Catholic Can be Pro-Abortion


20 posted on 10/21/2008 4:46:10 PM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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