Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Investors' Real Fear: A Socialist Tsunami
IBD Editorials ^ | October 10, 2008

Posted on 10/10/2008 6:26:10 PM PDT by Kaslin

The Crash: "Why has the market dropped so much?" everyone asks. What is it about the specter of our first socialist president and the end of capitalism as we know it that they don't understand?


The freeze-up of the financial system — and government's seeming inability to thaw it out — are a main concern, no doubt. But more people are also starting to look across the valley, as they say, at what's in store once this crisis passes.

And right now it looks like the U.S., which built the mightiest, most prosperous economy the world has ever known, is about to turn its back on the free-enterprise system that made it all possible.

It isn't only that the most anti-capitalist politician ever nominated by a major party is favored to take the White House. It's that he'll also have a filibuster-proof Congress led by politicians who are almost as liberal.

Throw in a media establishment dedicated to the implementation of a liberal agenda, and the smothering of dissent wherever it arises, and it's no wonder panic has set in.

What is that agenda? It starts with a tax system right out of Marx: A massive redistribution of income — from each according to his ability, to each according to his need — all in the name of "neighborliness," "patriotism," "fairness" and "justice."

(Excerpt) Read more at ibdeditorials.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Extended News
KEYWORDS: obama; socialism
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-30 next last

1 posted on 10/10/2008 6:26:10 PM PDT by Kaslin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Another excerpt:

And right now it looks like the U.S., which built the mightiest, most prosperous economy the world has ever known, is about to turn its back on the free-enterprise system that made it all possible.

It isn’t only that the most anti-capitalist politician ever nominated by a major party is favored to take the White House. It’s that he’ll also have a filibuster-proof Congress led by politicians who are almost as liberal.

Throw in a media establishment dedicated to the implementation of a liberal agenda, and the smothering of dissent wherever it arises, and it’s no wonder panic has set in.

What is that agenda? It starts with a tax system right out of Marx: A massive redistribution of income — from each according to his ability, to each according to his need — all in the name of “neighborliness,” “patriotism,” “fairness” and “justice.”

It continues with a call for a new world order that


2 posted on 10/10/2008 6:28:03 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

>And right now it looks like the U.S., which built the mightiest, most prosperous economy the world has ever known, is about to turn its back on the free-enterprise system that made it all possible.

thanks to a unionized urban public skool system and socialist universities cranking out ‘bots.


3 posted on 10/10/2008 6:28:17 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

That is EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR 2 WEEKS NOW


4 posted on 10/10/2008 6:28:30 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
Conclusion excerpt:

But don't take our word for it. One hundred economists, five Nobel winners among them, have signed a letter noting just that:

“The prospect of such tax-rate increases in 2010 is already a drag on the economy,” they wrote, noting that the potential of higher taxes in the next year or two is reducing hiring and investment.

It was “misguided tax hikes and protectionism, enacted when the U.S. economy was weak in the early 1930s,” the economists remind us, that “greatly increased the severity of the Great Depression.”

We can't afford to repeat these grave errors.

Yet much of the electorate is determined to vote for the candidate most likely to make them. If he wins, what we consider to be a crisis in today's economy will be a routine affair in tomorrow's.

5 posted on 10/10/2008 6:29:11 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Soros. Buffet. Orchestrated for Obama and stupid people who believe it.


6 posted on 10/10/2008 6:38:21 PM PDT by Hattie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

It’s a vicious circle. The more the economy implodes, the more the public craves OPM (Other People’s Money, which they view as “the government’s money”); and the more OPM’s money is thrown around, the more the economy implodes.


7 posted on 10/10/2008 6:39:15 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (May contain traces of tree nuts.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nmh
Oh hell, I felt this the first time I sat down and listened to the guy. He sent a cold chill down my spine.

This guy is evil, no one knows who he is. I am certain he does not either, because he is 100% focused on what he wants. And that makes for a dangerous person.

Step up the attacks; keep bringing up his past and his misjudgments. He has no future, if we stay true to the cause.

McCain / Palin 2008!!!!!

8 posted on 10/10/2008 6:41:23 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Sarahcuda = the dems worst nightmare)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Hattie
"The businesses that create jobs and generate wealth are already discounting the future based on what they know about Obama's plans to raise income, capital gains, dividend and payroll taxes, and his various other economy-crippling policies."

A lot of small businesses and investors are cashing out. Why should they work hard or try to make their money work hard if the majority votes to take it? Millions of them will be just fine for life.

yitbos

9 posted on 10/10/2008 6:45:26 PM PDT by bruinbirdman (GET OUT THE VOTE !!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Conservatives are not blameless.

When the public school system began to rot, what did we do? We ran from them. First the suburbs, then parochial/private schools, and home schooling. Yes, we took care of our own, but who took care of the masses?
Bad choice.

The left zealously supports their candidates. The right can be tepid, as in the case with McCain. People like Soros fund huge efforts to misinform. We have to fund FR ourselves. Those with the most to lose, those at the top, are too busy making money to protect their mechanism.
Bad choice.


10 posted on 10/10/2008 6:45:32 PM PDT by brownsfan (Algore makes P.T. Barnum look like a piker.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

spot on accurate. The stock market went UP the Friday the House sank the first bailout...it’s crashed ever since it passed. I think capitalists realize whoever wins is going to have more government involvement in the market and the market is extremely nervous. Lots of people are cutting their losses while some money is left than weight for the nest bailout...or next regulation....they want their money before Obama gets in.


11 posted on 10/10/2008 6:45:51 PM PDT by Illinois Rep
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: southernnorthcarolina

Same cycle as in the 30s. The Reds were working hard to turn the US communist then and people were buying it. We got “communism lite” with FDR.

Again, people are turning to the “safety and security” of communism during this rough patch. They are willing to give up freedom and liberty for security. We are reaping the harvest of 40 years of leftist indoctrination in our public schools and universities.

I pray every day we don’t lose our Republic to this filthy scumbag commie.


12 posted on 10/10/2008 6:47:12 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: ProtectOurFreedom

“I pray every day we don’t lose our Republic to this filthy scumbag commie.”

I’m with you. The man is evil. Obama lies just as well as Slick Willie, the difference is Obama has a much more malicious agenda for America.

I can’t even take comfort in people realizing what happened when Obama screws everything up. Obama will lay waste to America, and the media will blame it all on Bush.


13 posted on 10/10/2008 6:53:21 PM PDT by brownsfan (Algore makes P.T. Barnum look like a piker.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: nmh

This was all in the playbook of Ayers/Obama see “cloward piven obama” on Google.

McCain and Palin have an easy way to turn this around if they are smart enough. The FOUR times the Saudis oil reserves in the U.S. in the lower 48 in shale oil, coal diesel and ND oil.

This energy wealth would mean $750 billion a year stays in the U.S.. It means our country could be wealthier then Saudi Arabia very quickly. It means Islamic terrorism would almost cease because nbo money for trouble.

It means we have cheap energy for the next 150 to 200 years. Palin could be in charge and she would get it done.

This is the only way to recapitalize America’s wealth.

We had these wealth explosion booms for energy in:
PA then TX, then CA then the Gulf then AK. Now North Dakota.

This could turn all thise socialism sh*t around overnight.


14 posted on 10/10/2008 6:55:43 PM PDT by Frantzie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Frantzie

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html


15 posted on 10/10/2008 7:28:08 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: brownsfan

>> The left zealously supports their candidates. The right can be tepid, as in the case with McCain

That last part is confusing. Do you mean, “McCain is a tepid candidate”? Or do you mean “the right’s support of McCain is tepid”?


16 posted on 10/10/2008 7:47:04 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: ProtectOurFreedom

Not without a fight. No matter who ‘wins’ this election, we’re in for it. There are certain things that I will not tolerate. And I’m not alone.


17 posted on 10/10/2008 7:59:51 PM PDT by Noumenon (Time for Atlas to shrug - and to pick up a gun)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman
A lot of small businesses and investors are cashing out. Why should they work hard or try to make their money work hard if the majority votes to take it? Millions of them will be just fine for life.

Actually, if Obama wins and the trend is towards even more socialism in D.C., people will be better off if they run their own businesses. It is better to be in the position where you see your money before the government taxes it rather then being in the position where the government taxes it before you see it. You have more flexibility with the former.

18 posted on 10/10/2008 8:48:34 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: justa-hairyape
"Actually, if Obama wins and the trend is towards even more socialism in D.C., people will be better off if they run their own businesses."

Socialists/Marxists hate the petit bourgeoise (middle class capitalist). They like a few, large, preferrably state owned companies. They are easier to control.

During the depression FDR was raising income taxes on the wealthy. He was pissed that the millionaires were avoiding his income tax increases. He ordered them brought in by the authorities and made to pay up.

The big boys took it a step further and first. They told FDR that if he persisted in his tax pursuits on them, they would shut down their businesses. Just close up shop. They did not need to work or take FDR's crap. FDR didn't need any more plants closing.

Long ago, an owner I worked for put it this way, "Why do I want to go through all this hassel for X% profit, when I can sell the company, put my money in U.S. Treasuries, and earn more while fishing in the Bahamas?"

yitbos

19 posted on 10/10/2008 9:38:06 PM PDT by bruinbirdman (GET OUT THE VOTE !!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: bruinbirdman

If you already have earned enough to retire, working for the socialists is not a desirable option. I can certainly understand cashing out in that case, but the majority of small business owners are not rich and they are not making a lot of money. They are getting by. The choice they will have, is to give up and become a wage slave for the socialist state or to maintain their independent self-employed status. I guess in the end the socialist will try to make self-employment illegal. In the case of the US however, our federal government will have fiscally collapsed long before socialism progresses that far.


20 posted on 10/10/2008 11:32:51 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-30 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson