Posted on 10/09/2008 7:12:15 PM PDT by Publius804
Will the Church Split Along Red and Blue Lines?
by Deal W. Hudson
10/09/08
An Obama victory on November 4 is far from certain, but the momentum behind his campaign prompts me to wonder: What impact could an Obama administration have on the Catholic Church?
The Bush victories in 2000 and 2004 brought a flood of commentary on the so-called red and blue states. If Obama wins in 2008, I would not be surprised to see the emergence of a similar division among Catholics.
Many will finally realize, and admit to, the power of the political Left in their Church. This may lead to a kind of red state, blue state divide among Catholics in the United States. Such a divide could extend to the dioceses, reflecting both regional differences and the leadership of present and past bishops.
Most Catholics miss the institutionalized dissent, political liberalism, and Democratic Party alignment that exists throughout parts of the Church in this country. It exists in a network that includes parts of the USCCB and extends through chanceries, universities (especially Jesuit), Catholic organizations, and much of the Catholic media.
This network has become adept at cloaking its dissent, its political intentions, and its disdain for the agenda of Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI. It's a well-chronicled story that is gaining traction with more Catholics because of events surrounding this election.
(Excerpt) Read more at insidecatholic.com ...
I am not Catholic but I do not understand how any true Catholic could or would support Nobama.
This dichotomy also affects Baptist and others.
I’m a non-practicing Catholic, and the following is mostly just snark against most of the Hierarchy of the Church in North America, and nothing at all against regular people of the Catholic Faith:
But:
I thought that the only actual Conservative value that Catholics were permitted to hold is to be anti-abortion.
A true catholic could never vote for anyone who thought abortion was a right let alone anyone who would condone allowing a born infant to die because it’s Mother didn’t want it. We call them CINO’s Catholic in name only and they should be purged from the church, IMHO. There are plenty of protestant churches who think that abortion is ok, they would be welcomed there.
The divide has already hit the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA).
It will be hard for the ELCA to avoid shipwreck next August when the gaysbian agenda of allowing non-chaste homosexual clergy and blessing same-sex unions once again comes up for vote by the national assembly. This time it is being promoted through a series of studies, initiated by a handful of Synods (dioceses) including, surprise, surprise: metro Chicago, metro New York, metro DC, and Minneapolis. The blue tail wags the dog.
I am Catholic and I don’t understand it either. I tell them to vote against abortion, don’t be an enabler because as far as I’m concerned you are an accomplice to murder. Chew on that for a while...
The Lord knows his sheep. They hear his voice and follow. Goats, on the other hand, like to tailor the true faith to fit whatever is convenient. They may attend a church, but they aren’t members of The Church, which is one.
Those of you who are members of the true church know exactly what I’m writing about. Those who aren’t...well...might be voting for the baby killing party.
Heck no. The true church will never support an abortionist like Obama.
Given Obama’s fanatical devotion to abortion and the death culture, no one who votes for him can claim Catholic affiliation. They have excommunicated themselves.
Many Catholics are carrying on a tradition of revenge against American nativists/English which goes back centuries.
It hinders honest and rational thinking.
I am Catholic and I am definitely a Conservative, but I know what you mean. The CCC is grey on issues of economics. This greyness leads many people to pick the most socialist parts of Catholicism while ignoring the Church’s belief in private property. Catholicism is a big tent so you will get capitalists and socialists.
What is truly disturbing is Catholics who ignore the Vatican’s vividly clear position on abortion.
There are a lot of "Catholics" out there who will challenge a norm on principle. When Catholic, there is no principle save what the church teaches. The problem being that the church doesn't adequately teach what it should. Sunday morning I heard the second most offensive "s" word to liberals come out of a priest's mouth - shame. It's a concept that needs to return. Liberals have none and by persuading others to shed theirs, they are contributing to the destruction of others.
Maybe they’ll get their feelings hurt and stop wasting their time being “good” Catholics and find something else to do on Sunday. I mean, I can understand if you are Catholic AND dislike McCain. I’m Protestant, and I admire McCain’s patriotism, but NOT his politics. Still, I know the difference between a closet Muslim and a man who loves his country and fears the TRUE God.
If people are “religious” and attend Church, but LEARN NOTHING FROM IT, then why waste their time, and why do they put so much energy into “convincing” everyone that they’re “good” Catholics? And HOW can you be a “good” Catholic and support Mr. Infanticide?!!
How would anyone know? Actually, I know quite a few conservatives who are daily communicants. My grandmother was the most Catholic person I ever knew and she didn't believe in income taxes, inheritance taxes or confiscation of any sort. But she did provide space in her cellar for the food pantry for the parish St. Vincent de Paul Society. For Grandma, giving had to be from the heart, not a government mandate.
The Faith is very individual. It is what you make of it. Part of the problem, IMO, is that those in teaching positions have abused their vocations by pushing an agenda that emphasizes "the system" over individual responsibility which is a grave error. The proper way to confess is individually. Confirmation is done individually. Prayer is very individual as are devotions. It's really a personal thing no matter what the libs want us to believe.
BTW — I didn’t make myself clear in that post ..
I dislike McCain’s penchant for making deals across the aisle that do NOTHING but hurt the Conservative cause. He “thinks” he is a Reagan Conservative, but he is not.
Still .. I’ll vote for McCain .. but mostly for SARAH.
After Vatican II, during the 60’s, it seemed that the gays (lavender mafia) and “Liberation Theology” took over some of the seminaries.
“DEPART from ME, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.”
Simply, there are a lot of Catholics who are 180 degrees out of phase from what the Catholic Church supposedly stands for. And I use that term because some of them are bishops!
The Pope is pushing hard, and such a situation can't last for long. Either there will be a split or a revival.
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