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To: GodGunsGuts
Your notion that Islamic terrorists are not Islamic, despite them claiming to be Islamic, and following the clear words of Islamic clerics is clearly in error. They are not “truly Islamic” to you, but clearly they are to their own view of Islam.

And yes. If anyone who claims to be Christian and claims salvation in his name, isn't a “true Christian” because you disagree with them (like perhaps Obama and the Rev. Wright) then THAT TOO is a “No true Scotsman” fallacy.

But why the attempted change of subject? Do Liberation Theologists cut the heads off people chanting “God is Great”? No they do not. However Islamists regularly cut peoples heads off chanting about “Allah” being great.

Your position is that anybody who does anything reprehensible couldn't possibly be religious. That is a sterling example of the “no true Scotsman” fallacy.

23 posted on 10/01/2008 9:28:52 AM PDT by allmendream (Sa-RAH! Sa-RAH! Sa-RAH! RAH RAH RAH! McCain/Palin2008)
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To: allmendream

==Your notion that Islamic terrorists are not Islamic, despite them claiming to be Islamic, and following the clear words of Islamic clerics is clearly in error.

I didn’t say that Muslim terrorists cannot be Islamic. I simply pointed out that upon closer inspection many of them have turned out to be secular Communists and Socialists. And while I don’t agree with Pape’s stupid Ron Paul-esque foreign policy conclusions, I certainly DO agree with the data—namely, that 71% of Hezbollah suicide bombers turned out to be communist/socialist revolutionaries. Nor do I think it an accident that Hezbollah grew out of a movement known as Islamic Marxism that was started and controlled by the Soviets for the purposes of infiltrating Islam. Nor do I think it an accident that Hezbollah puts out hundreds of pictures celebrating Marxist-Leninist revolutionaries like Che Guevara. Nor do I think it is an accident that Osama bin Laden’s #2 is a known KGB/FSB agent.

==And yes. If anyone who claims to be Christian and claims salvation in his name, isn’t a “true Christian” because you disagree with them (like perhaps Obama and the Rev. Wright) then THAT TOO is a “No true Scotsman” fallacy.

Tell me Allmendream, are the following Liberation “theologians” genuine Catholics, or are they simply Marxist-Leninist revolutionaries dressed in Catholic vestments?:

Liberation Theologists played a key role in the 1979 Sandinista takeover of Nicaragua. “Father” Ernesto Cardenal, who declared that “only when I converted to Marxism could I write religious poetry”8 and that “I am above all a revolutionist and as such fight for… a dictatorship of the proletariat, in which surely it cannot show itself feeble toward the enemies of its fatherland, not even in moments when one comes to the point of having to execute men for this purpose,”9 was appointed Minister of Culture in the new Marxist dictatorship. “Father” Miguel d’Escoto also backed the revolution, and was trusted enough to be named Foreign Minister of the Sandinista regime. Upon winning the Lenin Peace Prize from the Soviet Union in 1987, d’Escoto was ecstatic: “This prize makes us Nicaraguans come into even closer contact with Lenin, that great personality of your state and of all mankind who is the passionate champion of peace.”10


24 posted on 10/01/2008 10:44:09 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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