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Factchecking Palin (Who's checking the fact checkers?)
CBS News ^ | 09/04/2008 | Hilzoy

Posted on 09/04/2008 9:21:07 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen

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To: Blood of Tyrants

Obama’s campaign lies in saying that Obama was never brought up as a muslim even though he himself admits he studied the Koran and can recite the islamic call to prayer in arabic.


21 posted on 09/04/2008 9:39:25 AM PDT by weegee ("We now know far more about Sarah Palin in just 4days than we've learned about B.Obama in 17 months")
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To: DouglasKC

The media didn’t even “fact check” when Obama introduced Biden as the “PRESIDENTIAL” candidate.


22 posted on 09/04/2008 9:40:55 AM PDT by weegee ("We now know far more about Sarah Palin in just 4days than we've learned about B.Obama in 17 months")
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To: Kid Shelleen

CBS can’t even fact check election poll results.


23 posted on 09/04/2008 9:42:01 AM PDT by TheThinker (It is the natural tendency of government to gravitate towards tyranny.)
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To: Kid Shelleen
If Heather and her husband make less than $250,000, their taxes will not go up. Most Americans will pay less in taxes under Obama's plan than under McCain's.

They will be punished if their business is a real success

Like most liberals, Obama encourages mediocrity.

Americans won't be motivated to "grow their businesses" once they realize they will be punished by heavier taxes a few years in the future.

24 posted on 09/04/2008 9:42:45 AM PDT by syriacus (FIRST check out the Alaska state webpages. THEN tell me that governing Alaska is easy.)
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To: Slapshot68

Aa lot of the comments are from democrats who ahve an axe to grind, but when you look closely at some of these things, Sarah was right to do what she did...as you stated, the school for the handicapped actually got more money that before, even with the cuts. She was not going to approve money for things that could not be justified.

Obama says 95% of Americans would get a tax break...oh yeah? Who is going to get it, then? Be specific. We know how Clinton worked that one...lowered the bar on who was rich, so then he could tax a larger percentage of ‘rich’. We KNOW these games all too well. All of a sudden, people making just about enough to scrape by are suddenly in the ‘rich’ category! Fool me once, but not again!


25 posted on 09/04/2008 9:42:45 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Governor Palin’s speech was expertly delivered and should send a direct shot across the bow of the Democratic Ticket. The full text is well written but does not capture the emotion of an excellent delivery. I have posted the text below for review:

“Mr. Chairman, delegates, and fellow citizens: I am honored to be considered for the nomination for Vice President of the United States…

I accept the call to help our nominee for president to serve and defend America.

I accept the challenge of a tough fight in this election… against confident opponents … at a crucial hour for our country.

And I accept the privilege of serving with a man who has come through much harder missions … and met far graver challenges … and knows how tough fights are won - the next president of the United States, John S. McCain.

It was just a year ago when all the experts in Washington counted out our nominee because he refused to hedge his commitment to the security of the country he loves.

With their usual certitude, they told us that all was lost - there was no hope for this candidate who said that he would rather lose an election than see his country lose a war.

But the pollsters and pundits overlooked just one thing when they wrote him off.

They overlooked the caliber of the man himself - the determination, resolve, and sheer guts of Senator John McCain. The voters knew better.

And maybe that’s because they realize there is a time for politics and a time for leadership … a time to campaign and a time to put our country first.

Our nominee for president is a true profile in courage, and people like that are hard to come by.

He’s a man who wore the uniform of this country for 22 years, and refused to break faith with those troops in Iraq who have now brought victory within sight.

And as the mother of one of those troops, that is exactly the kind of man I want as commander in chief. I’m just one of many moms who’ll say an extra prayer each night for our sons and daughters going into harm’s way.

Our son Track is 19.

And one week from tomorrow - September 11th - he’ll deploy to Iraq with the Army infantry in the service of his country.

My nephew Kasey also enlisted, and serves on a carrier in the Persian Gulf.

My family is proud of both of them and of all the fine men and women serving the country in uniform. Track is the eldest of our five children.

In our family, it’s two boys and three girls in between - my strong and kind-hearted daughters Bristol, Willow, and Piper.

And in April, my husband Todd and I welcomed our littlest one into the world, a perfectly beautiful baby boy named Trig. From the inside, no family ever seems typical.

That’s how it is with us.

Our family has the same ups and downs as any other … the same challenges and the same joys.

Sometimes even the greatest joys bring challenge.

And children with special needs inspire a special love.

To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters.

I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House. Todd is a story all by himself.

He’s a lifelong commercial fisherman … a production operator in the oil fields of Alaska’s North Slope … a proud member of the United Steel Workers’ Union … and world champion snow machine racer.

Throw in his Yup’ik Eskimo ancestry, and it all makes for quite a package.

We met in high school, and two decades and five children later he’s still my guy. My Mom and Dad both worked at the elementary school in our small town.

And among the many things I owe them is one simple lesson: that this is America, and every woman can walk through every door of opportunity.

My parents are here tonight, and I am so proud to be the daughter of Chuck and Sally Heath. Long ago, a young farmer and habber-dasher from Missouri followed an unlikely path to the vice presidency.

A writer observed: “We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty, sincerity, and dignity.” I know just the kind of people that writer had in mind when he praised Harry Truman.

I grew up with those people.

They are the ones who do some of the hardest work in America … who grow our food, run our factories, and fight our wars.

They love their country, in good times and bad, and they’re always proud of America. I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town.

I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids’ public education better.

When I ran for city council, I didn’t need focus groups and voter profiles because I knew those voters, and knew their families, too.

Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown.

And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves.

I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a “community organizer,” except that you have actual responsibilities. I might add that in small towns, we don’t quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren’t listening.

We tend to prefer candidates who don’t talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco.

As for my running mate, you can be certain that wherever he goes, and whoever is listening, John McCain is the same man. I’m not a member of the permanent political establishment.
And I’ve learned quickly, these past few days, that if you’re not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.

But here’s a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I’m not going to Washington to seek their good opinion - I’m going to Washington to serve the people of this country. Americans expect us to go to Washington for the right reasons, and not just to mingle with the right people.

Politics isn’t just a game of clashing parties and competing interests.

The right reason is to challenge the status quo, to serve the common good, and to leave this nation better than we found it.

No one expects us to agree on everything.

But we are expected to govern with integrity, good will, clear convictions, and … a servant’s heart.

I pledge to all Americans that I will carry myself in this spirit as vice president of the United States. This was the spirit that brought me to the governor’s office, when I took on the old politics as usual in Juneau … when I stood up to the special interests, the lobbyists, big oil companies, and the good-ol’ boys network.

Sudden and relentless reform never sits well with entrenched interests and power brokers. That’s why true reform is so hard to achieve.

But with the support of the citizens of Alaska, we shook things up.

And in short order we put the government of our state back on the side of the people.

I came to office promising major ethics reform, to end the culture of self-dealing. And today, that ethics reform is the law.

While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor’s office that I didn’t believe our citizens should have to pay for.

That luxury jet was over the top. I put it on eBay.

I also drive myself to work.

And I thought we could muddle through without the governor’s personal chef - although I’ve got to admit that sometimes my kids sure miss her. I came to office promising to control spending - by request if possible and by veto if necessary.

Senator McCain also promises to use the power of veto in defense of the public interest - and as a chief executive, I can assure you it works.

Our state budget is under control.

We have a surplus.

And I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending: nearly half a billion dollars in vetoes.

I suspended the state fuel tax, and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress.

I told the Congress “thanks, but no thanks,” for that Bridge to Nowhere.

If our state wanted a bridge, we’d build it ourselves. When oil and gas prices went up dramatically, and filled up the state treasury, I sent a large share of that revenue back where it belonged - directly to the people of Alaska.

And despite fierce opposition from oil company lobbyists, who kind of liked things the way they were, we broke their monopoly on power and resources.

As governor, I insisted on competition and basic fairness to end their control of our state and return it to the people.

I fought to bring about the largest private-sector infrastructure project in North American history.

And when that deal was struck, we began a nearly forty billion dollar natural gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence.

That pipeline, when the last section is laid and its valves are opened, will lead America one step farther away from dependence on dangerous foreign powers that do not have our interests at heart.

The stakes for our nation could not be higher.

When a hurricane strikes in the Gulf of Mexico, this country should not be so dependent on imported oil that we are forced to draw from our Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

And families cannot throw away more and more of their paychecks on gas and heating oil.

With Russia wanting to control a vital pipeline in the Caucasus, and to divide and intimidate our European allies by using energy as a weapon, we cannot leave ourselves at the mercy of foreign suppliers.

To confront the threat that Iran might seek to cut off nearly a fifth of world energy supplies … or that terrorists might strike again at the Abqaiq facility in Saudi Arabia … or that Venezuela might shut off its oil deliveries … we Americans need to produce more of our own oil and gas.

And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: we’ve got lots of both.

Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all of America’s energy problems - as if we all didn’t know that already.

But the fact that drilling won’t solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all.

Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we’re going to lay more pipelines … build more new-clear plants … create jobs with clean coal … and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative sources.

We need American energy resources, brought to you by American ingenuity, and produced by American workers. I’ve noticed a pattern with our opponent.

Maybe you have, too.

We’ve all heard his dramatic speeches before devoted followers.

And there is much to like and admire about our opponent.

But listening to him speak, it’s easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate.

This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting, and never use the word “victory” except when he’s talking about his own campaign. But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed … when the roar of the crowd fades away … when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot - what exactly is our opponent’s plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he’s done turning back the waters and healing the planet? The answer is to make government bigger … take more of your money … give you more orders from Washington … and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world. America needs more energy … our opponent is against producing it.

Victory in Iraq is finally in sight … he wants to forfeit.

Terrorist states are seeking new-clear weapons without delay … he wants to meet them without preconditions.

Al Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America … he’s worried that someone won’t read them their rights? Government is too big … he wants to grow it.

Congress spends too much … he promises more.

Taxes are too high … he wants to raise them. His tax increases are the fine print in his economic plan, and let me be specific.

The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes … raise payroll taxes … raise investment income taxes … raise the death tax … raise business taxes … and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars. My sister Heather and her husband have just built a service station that’s now opened for business - like millions of others who run small businesses.

How are they going to be any better off if taxes go up? Or maybe you’re trying to keep your job at a plant in Michigan or Ohio … or create jobs with clean coal from Pennsylvania or West Virginia … or keep a small farm in the family right here in Minnesota.

How are you going to be better off if our opponent adds a massive tax burden to the American economy? Here’s how I look at the choice Americans face in this election.

In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers.

And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change.

They’re the ones whose names appear on laws and landmark reforms, not just on buttons and banners, or on self-designed presidential seals.

Among politicians, there is the idealism of high-flown speechmaking, in which crowds are stirringly summoned to support great things.

And then there is the idealism of those leaders, like John McCain, who actually do great things. They’re the ones who are good for more than talk … the ones we have always been able to count on to serve and defend America. Senator McCain’s record of actual achievement and reform helps explain why so many special interests, lobbyists, and comfortable committee chairmen in Congress have fought the prospect of a McCain presidency - from the primary election of 2000 to this very day.

Our nominee doesn’t run with the Washington herd.

He’s a man who’s there to serve his country, and not just his party.

A leader who’s not looking for a fight, but is not afraid of one either. Harry Reid, the Majority Leader of the current do-nothing Senate, not long ago summed up his feelings about our nominee.

He said, quote, “I can’t stand John McCain.” Ladies and gentlemen, perhaps no accolade we hear this week is better proof that we’ve chosen the right man. Clearly what the Majority Leader was driving at is that he can’t stand up to John McCain. That is only one more reason to take the maverick of the Senate and put him in the White House. My fellow citizens, the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of “personal discovery.” This world of threats and dangers is not just a community, and it doesn’t just need an organizer.

And though both Senator Obama and Senator Biden have been going on lately about how they are always, quote, “fighting for you,” let us face the matter squarely.

There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you … in places where winning means survival and defeat means death … and that man is John McCain. In our day, politicians have readily shared much lesser tales of adversity than the nightmare world in which this man, and others equally brave, served and suffered for their country.

It’s a long way from the fear and pain and squalor of a six-by-four cell in Hanoi to the Oval Office.

But if Senator McCain is elected president, that is the journey he will have made.

It’s the journey of an upright and honorable man - the kind of fellow whose name you will find on war memorials in small towns across this country, only he was among those who came home.

To the most powerful office on earth, he would bring the compassion that comes from having once been powerless … the wisdom that comes even to the captives, by the grace of God … the special confidence of those who have seen evil, and seen how evil is overcome. A fellow prisoner of war, a man named Tom Moe of Lancaster, Ohio, recalls looking through a pin-hole in his cell door as Lieutenant Commander John McCain was led down the hallway, by the guards, day after day.

As the story is told, “When McCain shuffled back from torturous interrogations, he would turn toward Moe’s door and flash a grin and thumbs up” - as if to say, “We’re going to pull through this.” My fellow Americans, that is the kind of man America needs to see us through these next four years.

For a season, a gifted speaker can inspire with his words.

For a lifetime, John McCain has inspired with his deeds.

If character is the measure in this election … and hope the theme … and change the goal we share, then I ask you to join our cause. Join our cause and help America elect a great man as the next president of the United States.

Thank you all, and may God bless America.”


26 posted on 09/04/2008 9:42:59 AM PDT by smoothsailing ( Bill Russell can defeat John Murtha - Visit http://russellbrigade.com/)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Here’s a comment on that article which sums up Obama’s actual achievements quite well:

Hilzoy, Obama has some real legislative achievements, but, c’mon: your primary examples are of times when Obama tagging along, mostly for the good press.

*Ethics reform? C’mon. Obama was involved, but the clear point person in the Senate has been, and was again, John McCain. McCain’s been working on these things since, well, forever — or at least since he started to atone for the Keating 5 scandal. Obama’s support was fleeting and political, at best (you may remember this exchange of testy letters: http://obama.senate.gov/letter/060206-sen_obama_and_sen_mccain_exchange_letters_on_ethics_reform/). Sure, Obama deserves some credit for stepping forward, but don’t let Obama-worship distort history.

*Lugar-Obama? Please. Obama deserves credit for studying the issue and coming to the sensible conclusion that Sen. Lugar is correct, but do you really think that this initiative is Obama’s to claim? Really really? (Am I missing Nunn-Obama?)

*Katrina. OK, wonderful. Obama was a Captain in this particular obvious brigade. Kudos for that.

Obama has a lot to recommend him. Although I currently plan to vote for McCain, I am leaving my options open — the US could do a lot worse (a lot worse) than a President Obama. And I’ll freely admit that Obama has been very effective given relative inexperience. But people are saying that his legislative record is thin because, well, it is thin. Matthews, deplorable though he sometimes is, ain’t wrong to say the same.

Posted by: von | February 20, 2008 at 07:24 PM


27 posted on 09/04/2008 9:43:05 AM PDT by MichaelAsher54
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To: Kid Shelleen
A Liberal friend sent this to me. I do not have a lot of time to investigate them all. I was hoping for some ammo to fire back.

I am assuming that you're not a troll; however, trolls post articles like this all the time, so I have reservations.

You have been sucked into a losing game. My advice (assuming you're truly one of us)?

Send the email back with an affectionate note saying, I will be happy to address that Palin email as soon as you send me another similar one titled, "Fact-checking Biden"; otherwise I shan't bother. My guess is that you won't get an answer.

As an alternative, I would counterattack. I would state that I support 100% a Constitutional amendment to make candidates prosecutable for lying during campaigns, and elected legislators prosecutable for acting contrary to their campaign remarks (promise them anything, but deliver Socialism).

See if your doofus liberal friend goes along with that.

(By the way, I had to really bite my tongue to restrain myself from addressing her puerile, ignorant and simple-minded points.)

28 posted on 09/04/2008 9:43:08 AM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: weegee

LOL; How about when Biden introducted Obama as “Barack America”


29 posted on 09/04/2008 9:44:48 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen (All things shall be well; You shall see for yourself that all manner of things shall be well)
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To: DouglasKC
Remember all the “fact checking” that happened after Obama’s speech? Remember? Anyone??

I don't remember anything like that.

I must have sneezed for the 2.5 seconds that Obama's mistakes were discussed.

30 posted on 09/04/2008 9:45:29 AM PDT by syriacus (FIRST check out the Alaska state webpages. THEN tell me that governing Alaska is easy.)
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To: Slapshot68
This sounds like another liberal misconception that cutting an INCREASE is cutting funding.

This bears repeating...

This sounds like another liberal misconception that cutting an INCREASE is cutting funding.

There is no area, I repeat, NONE, in any budget that is "ENTITLED" to increased funding every year.
Yes, that would include welfare, health care, schools, children and the never-mentioned gay and lesbian infrastructure funding.

31 posted on 09/04/2008 9:49:39 AM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: Publius6961
I am not a troll sir; check my other posts:
BTW: My standard MO on these issues is to get my liberal friend to pick the “lie” that he feels most strongly about and then I go about debunking that particular subject. It pins them down to one topic. Unless you keep them focused they keep changing the subject when you start winning the argument.. I have already sent him the challeng and have not heard back yet..
32 posted on 09/04/2008 9:51:29 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen (All things shall be well; You shall see for yourself that all manner of things shall be well)
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To: Kid Shelleen; Publius6961
A Liberal friend sent this to me. I do not have a lot of time to
investigate them all. I was hoping for some ammo to fire back.


Here's a real time-saver.
Tell your liberal friend to start watching the Fox News Channel.

This morning FNC's Megan Kelly bitch-slapped an editor of "US"
Magazine for their total slop in their total-slime article on
Palin.
When it was over, that editor reminded me of those cartoon characters
that have been cut in half and are still blabbing.
Slain, but still don't know it!

I'm not tech-savvy.
But it was so good, it's gotta' get on YouTube soon!
33 posted on 09/04/2008 9:51:33 AM PDT by VOA
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To: sappy
Katie Couric was quick to tell her audience that there would be some fact checking done on the Palin speech.

Do you have more details on this? I simply don't listen to the "perky" network. What did she say exactly? When did she say it?

I would like to send her an email challenging her objectivity, impartiality and factchecking ability...

34 posted on 09/04/2008 9:55:04 AM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: sappy
"actually, come to think of it. It wouldn’t be too hard to fact check since the speech was a week ago. I don’t recall any such fact check. Katie Couric was quick to tell her audience that there would be some fact checking done on the Palin speech."

Obviously the mainstream media isn't about to pick apart ANYTHING about their candidate, Brown Smoke.

35 posted on 09/04/2008 9:55:28 AM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: Kid Shelleen

I’m SURE this person has done a fact check on obama. Can someone tell me where to find it?


36 posted on 09/04/2008 10:02:17 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: calex59

No, she increased spending. Believe it or not, this is from DailyKos;

While it would be quite damaging to Palin if she did significantly cut special needs funding, that does not appear to have been the case with the budget listed here.

While the top line budget for Department of Education and Early Development Special Schools Component Budget Summary dropped from 8.3 million in 2007 to 3.2 million in 2008, this appears to be due to the movement of the budget for the Alaska Challange Youth Academy to a different place.

2007 budget

Special Education Service Agency (SESA) - $2,072.3
Providence Heights School - $145.0
Alaska School for the Deaf - $319.0.
The Department of Education & Early Development - $637.4.
Alaska Challenge Youth Academy Program - $5,724.7

2008 Budget

Special Education Service Agency (SESA) - $2,054.6
Providence Heights School - $145.0
Alaska School for the Deaf - $319.0.
The Department of Education & Early Development - $637.4.

The budget for the youth academy in 2007, 2008 and 2009 can be seen here: Academy budget

2007 - 5.5 million
2008 - 5.7 million
2009 - 6.1 million

So, there was not a real decrease of 62% in this budget, just a shift a line of the budget to somewhere else. Rather, one line in the budget for special needs education dropped about 1%, and the rest of the budget was flat.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/9/3/163229/8631/40#c40


37 posted on 09/04/2008 10:02:52 AM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: Kid Shelleen
While Ponoma associate philosophy professor Hilzoy’s “facts” are not particularly credible, as posters have shown, she links to a commentary by Steve Benen. Benen makes the case the maverick McCain has come home to his conservative roots by renouncing most of his past liberal positions, something that Obama has not done. Benen’s list--in classic dysfunctional Democrat style-- makes a strong case for supporting McCain, now that he has cast off Weaver and been exposed to the real world. I had many problems with McCain until I read Benen's piece, flawed and fuzzy though it may be.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/flipflops

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38 posted on 09/04/2008 10:04:52 AM PDT by OESY
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To: Kid Shelleen
The fact-checkers are deceiving you by leaving off the sentence which immediately precedes this one
Palin: "As for my running mate, you can be certain that wherever he goes, and whoever is listening, John McCain is the same man."

Here's what Palin actually said,
"We tend to prefer candidates who don’t talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco. As for my running mate, you can be certain that wherever he goes, and whoever is listening, John McCain is the same man."

Palin was saying that McCain doesn't pretend to be a friend of a group, and then diss that same group, on the sly, when he is talking with other people.

Obama scores points with one group by divisivelyputting down another group.

Obama is not a uniter.

39 posted on 09/04/2008 10:06:26 AM PDT by syriacus (FIRST check out the Alaska state webpages. THEN tell me that governing Alaska is easy.)
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To: TexasCajun
"A few that stood out for me, or that I spotted in my quick run-through of some blogs"

Exactly.

This dope considers checking with other liberal kool-aid drinkers "fact checking".

Not unlike their SOP of repeating a lie often enough that it can then be casually referenced in a casual "everyone knows this to be true", such as the dishonest mantra "Bush lied, people died".

Liberalism, like Islam, is just one more delusion of the Father of Lies in the spiritual warfare that rages around us, to which people such as the author of this article are not only oblivious, but scoff at as silly lunacy.

40 posted on 09/04/2008 10:07:43 AM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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