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SUSAN FALUDI: Second-Place Citizens
NY Times ^ | August 26, 2008 | SUSAN FALUDI

Posted on 09/01/2008 11:37:26 AM PDT by neverdem

MUCH has been made of the timing of Hillary Clinton’s speech before the Democratic National Convention tonight, coming as it does on the 88th anniversary of women’s suffrage. Convention organizers are taking advantage of this coincidence of the calendar — the 19th Amendment was certified on Aug. 26, 1920 — to pay homage to the women’s vote in particular and women’s progress in general. By such tributes, they are slathering some sweet icing on a bitter cake. But many of Mrs. Clinton’s supporters are unlikely to be partaking. They regard their candidate’s cameo as a consolation prize. And they are not consoled.

“I see this nation differently than I did 10 months ago,” reads a typical posting on a Web site devoted to Clintonista discontent. “That this travesty was committed by the Democratic Party has forever changed my approach to politics.” In scores of Internet forums and the conclaves of protest groups, those sentiments are echoed, as Clinton supporters speak over and over of feeling heartbroken and disillusioned, of being cheated and betrayed.

In one poll, 40 percent of Mrs. Clinton’s constituency expressed dissatisfaction; in another, more than a quarter favored the clear insanity of voicing their feminist protest by voting for John McCain. “This is not the usual reaction to an election loss,” said Diane Mantouvalos, the founder of JustSayNoDeal.com, a clearinghouse for the pro-Clinton organizations. “I know that is the way it is being spun, but it’s not prototypical. Anyone who doesn’t take time to analyze it will do so at their own peril.”

The despondency of Mrs. Clinton’s supporters — or their “vitriolic” and “rabid” wrath, as the punditry prefers to put it — has been the subject of perplexed and often irritable news media speculation. Why don’t these dead-enders get over it already and exit stage...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bitter; faludi; hillary; palin; puma; susanfaludi

1 posted on 09/01/2008 11:37:26 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
If you want change in Washington D.C.

I mean you really want change.

Do you vote for the Fighter Pilot and the mother of 5?

Or do you vote for the two Lawyers?

2 posted on 09/01/2008 11:41:54 AM PDT by sourcery (Social Justice. n. 1. Enslavement of those who work for the benefit of those who don't.)
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To: neverdem

Oh come on say ‘This will turn back the hands of the clock” - you know you wnat to say it, say it, say it!


3 posted on 09/01/2008 11:47:32 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: neverdem
If it's just about voting for a woman then the Hillary supporters should have no problem voting for McCain/Palin.

Like that's gonna happen.

4 posted on 09/01/2008 11:48:38 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: neverdem

This fine whine was written before McCain announced his VP. Susan Faludi must be about ready to slit her wrists now.


5 posted on 09/01/2008 11:49:59 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: neverdem
The explanation is simpler. Women do not want to be second rate men and they don't want to participate in a man's world on male terms. Feminists think this denies women equality but equality in reality is not achieved by erasing differences between the sexes but by allowing women to have their own place as women in society without the need to be like a man, which in any event would never accord them true respect and recognition.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 09/01/2008 11:51:13 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem
Sensible people in the West seek a happy medium between between a world that admits of no sexual differences, the feminist dystopia and the the world in which women have no rights at all - the Islamist dystopia. We want a world in which women are acknowledged as being different from men and enjoy equal rights in society. That's the only outcome that accords both with the character of Western life and with human nature, co-existing happily with it instead of denying it or giving it only the most restrictive form of expression.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 09/01/2008 12:07:20 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: unixfox
If it's just about voting for a woman then the Hillary supporters should have no problem voting for McCain/Palin.

Like that's gonna happen.

Don't be surprised, from David Broder no less.

How Palin Could Help

The two-step reaction is best capsulized in the comments of a very smart veteran campaign operative, a New Hampshire delegate and early Mitt Romney supporter, who told me: "When I first heard, I was appalled. I thought we had forfeited the election. But then I got a call from my 22-year-old daughter. She's a pro-choice voter, just like I am. But she was very excited and enthused by this choice. She is captivated by Palin's life story, the way she has taken on the odds. She may be more acute than I am."
Obama has bitterly disappointed two groups of voters: Hillary true believers and women who will vote for any woman.
8 posted on 09/01/2008 12:23:22 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: sourcery

You just full of inspiring lines.

I see another bumper sticker here!

:-)


9 posted on 09/01/2008 1:05:17 PM PDT by Islander7 ("Common sense and common decency are uncommon virtues among America's left.")
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To: neverdem
Why don’t these dead-enders get over it already and exit stage..

Maybe they are sick and tired of being told to sit down, shut up and take it?

Women are ALWAYS the force for reform in American politics.

10 posted on 09/01/2008 1:15:24 PM PDT by GVnana ("They're still analyzing the first guy. What do I have to worry about?" - GWB)
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To: Islander7

Go for it!


11 posted on 09/01/2008 1:17:03 PM PDT by sourcery (Social Justice. n. 1. Enslavement of those who work for the benefit of those who don't.)
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To: neverdem
I have only this for Susan Faludi - a woman has just stepped forward for the second highest office in the nation and in the space of 48 hours the Party Of Progress has managed to defame her, smear her family, and humiliate her 17-year-old daughter in the national press. What are you going to do about it, Susan? Because if the answer is "nothing" then it's all just a lot of talk, isn't it?

Yes, they're going over to McCain/Palin, and it isn't a "defection." It's principle over party, Susan. Now what's it going to be?

12 posted on 09/01/2008 1:23:27 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Alouette

A pox on all her paragraphs, delivered by her own self!

Here's a link to some background music for Susan to listen to while she ponders her predicament:

Flip top box top got to keep 'em buzzing Whoo; Got 'em by the ear, got 'em by the dozen, Shut 'em up, cover up, got to distract them, Yeah You know you're gonna get a psychotic reaction

Little white lie been around for years
Little white lie ringing in your ears
Turn around come around back on you
Well that little white lie's catching up to you

Little white lie
Say what you got to
Little white lie
Come back to haunt you
Little white lie
You got one, you got two
Little white lie

Head like a box, got legs that crawl
My ears can see, I'm a fly on the wall

Got bones that feel, eyes that touch
Yeah you're falling in deep 'cause you're talkin' too much*

* Joe Biden, is that you?

Sammy rocks.

13 posted on 09/01/2008 6:49:42 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Jesus was a gillnetter)
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To: Billthedrill

LOL!


14 posted on 09/01/2008 11:18:40 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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