Biden On his pro-abortion stance: "My Views are Totally Consistent with Catholic Social Doctrine..."

LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/28/08 | Kathleen Gilbert

[wagglebee]

WASHINGTON, D.C., August 28, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - New Democratic vice-presidential candidate Joe Biden was blasted on Wednesday, in the wake of Nancy Pelosi's much derided remarks to the same effect, for claiming that his radically pro-abortion stance is "totally consistent" with the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Biden made the remarks in an interview with the Christian Science Monitor (CSM) in August of last year, which has received renewed attention in the aftermath of the controversy surrounding Pelosi's remarks. While discussing his desire to attract Catholics to the Democratic Party, Sen. Biden said, "My views are totally consistent with Catholic social doctrine.

"There are elements within the church who say that if you are at odds with any of the teachings of the church, you are at odds with the church. I think the church is bigger than that."

In response, Carl Olson of the Ignatius Insight blog turned to the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church to measure up Biden's claim.  He quotes the Compendium, which condemns all types of abortion: "The first right presented in this list is the right to life, from conception to its natural end,[318] which is the condition for the exercise of all other rights and, in particular, implies the illicitness of every form of procured abortion and of euthanasia."

Olson said, "As we well know, anybody trying to find where the Church says that abortion is morally acceptable, or can be allowed in certain situations, or is just another issue open to debate, is going to fail miserably.  Which is probably why Biden and Co. don't bother to quote from the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church."

Regarding Biden's statement that "the church is bigger than that", Olson says that Biden misrepresented the real "line of tension" in the Catholic community.  The Church's struggle over doctrine is not between antiquated tradition and fresh ideas, he says, but "between those who accept and understand that certain matters of faith and morals are settled and those who think that it is one's all-powerful conscience that makes the final decision . . . even while paying lip service to loving the Church."

Olson concludes: "Perhaps Biden, Pelosi, and others do suffer from invincible ignorance.  Or perhaps they are simply denying or ignoring what they know the Church does clearly teach.

"Regardless, any child receiving decent catechesis and anyone capable of reading the English language should recognize that Senator Biden's beliefs are not 'totally consistent with Catholic social doctrine.'"

Biden's statements came a few months after a Meet The Press interview in April 2007, where he justified abortion according to supposed "debates" in the Church about unborn life - in a manner little different from Pelosi's recent remarks.  (See LifeSiteNews.com coverage: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08082709.html).

Bishop Michael Saltarelli's spokesman Bob Krebs told LifeSiteNews earlier this week that Bishop Saltarelli, Sen. Biden's own bishop, will not allow the pro-choice Biden to speak at Catholic schools even if he becomes vice-president.  (See http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08082606.html)

To read the Ignatius Insight blog post: http://insightscoop.typepad.com/2004/2008/08/biden-my-views....

See related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:

Pelosi's Theologizing on Abortion is a Repeat of Biden's Own Quotes on Meet the Press
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08082709.html

"Catholic" Speaker Pelosi Denies that Catholicism Condemns Abortion
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08082502.html

Cardinals, Bishops and Congressmen Slam Pelosi on Abortion
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08082601.html

Pelosi Spokeswoman About-face: Catholic Church "Clear" on Life Teaching After All - But Catholics Need Not Listen
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08082706.html

[wagglebee]

"There are elements within the church who say that if you are at odds with any of the teachings of the church, you are at odds with the church. I think the church is bigger than that."

Joe, you are right about SOME elements of Catholic teaching, but MORTAL SIN is not one of them!

[wagglebee]

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[CASchack]

Another heretic.

[Doogle]

....looks like Obiden can expect a call from a Bishop or two

[El Cid]

geeze...You'd have thought he learned his lesson from Mrs. Pelosi. Just keep your mouth shut regarding church positions - when you obviously don't give two cents about what they stand for...
But nooo... Mr. Biden just dives right into Theologian Amateur Night...

[dforest]

Oh yeah Joe? Since when did the Church become okay with murdering the unborn?

I guess since Pelosi and Obama said it was okay.

[big'ol_freeper]

This is the same approach liberals take toward all voters. They think voters are stupid and easily sold anything they say and never think they will be called on it. Hopefully on the issue of abortion it deflates their balloon.

[IrishCatholic]

CINO’s are finally stomping on the bishop’s toes a little too hard.

[muawiyah]

Not a heretic; just another one of Satan's demons sent here to harass and harm mankind.

Guy can't be human with the attitude he has toward the innocent.

[caisson71]

It is obvious that Biden’s regard for his faith stands far below his regard for his politics. Biden professes to be Catholic, much like Pelosi, but disregards the most important of the church’s teachings as regards to the unborn. I will not cast the first stone but feel very sorry for Biden and his conscience - if he has one.

[muawiyah]

No problem at all with the first stone and this puke. You are now free to cast the second stone.

[CarryingOn]

Liberals have no attachment to church doctrine, articles of faith, The Constitution, Bill of Rights, or Declaration of Independence. The Articles of Liberalism are updated daily to reflect popular culture, even to Obama’s promoting abortion after birth. To these extremist Liberals, voting against rule by morally bankrupt elitist politicians is somehow racist in their distorted reality.

[muir_redwoods]

Aren’t the Catholic Bishops lucky to have such a near-inexhaustible supply of theological instruction from these deeply religious solons.

[Salvation]

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Abortion and Euthanasia
Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE)	Catholic politician who votes for abortion in contradiction to Church teachings. One of American Life League's "Deadly Dozen."

[Salvation]

One of the threads on Biden even has a letter from his PRIEST!

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[mware]

MY views are totally consistent with Catholic Social Doctrine.

No there not, Joe. What are you going to do next, strangle me with your rosary beads?

[wagglebee]

And the list keeps growing, I really think you should e-mail it to every bishop in the country.

[Lizavetta]

You CANNOT simultaneously believe that babies are a gift from God AND that it’s all right to kill them.

[gitmo]

Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver has said that Biden should refrain from Communion.