Posted on 08/23/2008 7:27:18 AM PDT by Kaslin
In choosing Senator Joe Biden of Delaware as his running mate, Barack Obama has acknowledged his own shortcomings while recognizing that the election he and his people thought a cakewalk a few months ago is now a battle royale along the lines of the 2000 and 2004 contests.
Republicans would do well not to celebrate too much over this choice. On the surface, it may appear to be a mistake - an almost comically bad selection by Obama due to Biden's well known (and well documented) verbal gaffes. And, as Politico points out, this should worry the Obama camp:
But while Biden, 65, made strides during the primary season on curbing his legendary penchant for leaving no thought unspoken, those who have watched him (and listened to him) over the years know the Obama team will spend some sleepless nights wondering what he might say at any given moment.
Leaving that aside, Biden is a formidable presence and brings quite a bit to the table. He is, by Democratic party standards, a moderate, especially on foriegn policy where he has distinguished himself as Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee in the Senate. He voted for the Iraq War and has consistently advocated victory in that conflict. An early and harsh critic of Administration Iraq policy (like John McCain), Biden and McCain have been seen as the biggest advocates for putting more troops into Iraq as far back as 2004. He supported Bush's Pakistan policy until he began to run for president. He has taken a tough stance against the Russians. He has fully backed our efforts in Afghanistan.
He can be called a foreign policy realist - something he will have to abandon now that he is running with the most idealistic and naive candidate in history. But Obama doesn't care where he stands on issues as much as his perceived "experience" overcomes his own lack of foreign policy credentials.
Domestically, he is further left but has been known as a friend of credit card companies and banks. He is very liberal on social policy (he received a 0% rating from the Family Research Council) and does well with organized labor. He got a perfect score from the liberal ADA in 2005 and 2006.
What are Obama's expectations? What does he bring to the ticket?
Joe Biden is an attack dog, a savage puncher who brings some skills to a debate. He will more than ably fill the traditional role of a running mate by attacking McCain like there's no tomorow while Obama preaches his hope and change mantra staying above the fray.
It is true that Biden is in love with his own voice (most senators are) and he can be very windy at times. But the Obama camp will keep him on a very short leash which will help and I expect he will also be somewhat protected from the press. This may minimize the gaffe potential.
As far as his personal attributes he is an emotive sort of fellow which plays well with most voters. He has a working class upbringing although after 36 years in the senate, he is far beyond those humble beginnings. He is a Catholic and may help shore up Obama's working class Catholic base that Hillary won so handily in Pennsylvania and other states.
I've listed most of his negatives except the intangible. Joe Biden is the consumate inside the beltway, Washington insider. For Barack Obama to go before the people now offering "hope and change" is ludicrous. Also, Biden is only 6 years younger than John McCain so using his age against him is now under the bus.
But it is his ability as a back alley brawler that Obama probably chose him. His sarcasm can sometimes be too biting and at times he comes off as just plain mean. But when he smiles that huge, teeth baring grin and lets loose a torrent of invective against his opponent, he can be fearsome.
This campaign started with both men saying they wanted to elevate dialogue and stay away from personal attacks. But any student of history can tell you that this is the strategy of the loser and the winner is usually the one who is most able to portray his opponent as the devil incarnate. Negative politics is like torture; it is used because it works. And with the country still in a 50-50 split, the candidate who can hit first and hit the hardest will probably come out on top.
On McCain:
Biden, on a post-debate appearance on MSNBC, October 30, 2007: “The only guy on the other side who’s qualified is John McCain.”
Biden appearing on The Daily Show, August 2, 2005: “John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off, be well off no matter who...”
On Meet the Press, November 27, 2005: “I’ve been calling for more troops for over two years, along with John McCain and others subsequent to my saying that.”
On Obama:
Reacting to an Obama speech on counterterrorism, August 1, 2007: “‘Look, the truth is the four major things he called for, well, hell that’s what I called for,’ Biden said today on MSNBC’s Hardball, echoing comments he made earlier in the day at an event promoting his book at the National Press Club. Biden added, ‘I’m glad he’s talking about these things.’”
Also that day, the Biden campaign issued a release that began, “The Biden for President Campaign today congratulated Sen. Barack Obama for arriving at a number of Sen. Biden’s long-held views on combating al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.” That release mocked Obama for asking about the “stunning level of mercury in fish” and asked about a proposal for the U.S. adopt a ban on mercury sales abroad at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing.
Assessing Obama’s Iraq plan on September 13, 2007: “My impression is [Obama] thinks that if we leave, somehow the Iraqis are going to have an epiphany” of peaceful coexistence among warring sects. “I’ve seen zero evidence of that.”
Speaking to the New York Observer: Biden was equally skeptical — albeit in a slightly more backhanded way — about Mr. Obama. “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
Also from that Observer interview: “But — and the ‘but’ was clearly inevitable — he doubts whether American voters are going to elect ‘a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate,’ and added: ‘I don’t recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic.’”
Around that time, Biden in an interview with the Huffington Post, he assessed Obama and Hillary Clinton: “The more people learn about them (Obama and Hillary) and how they handle the pressure, the more their support will evaporate.”
December 11, 2007: “If Iowans believe campaign funds and celebrity will fix the debacle in Iraq, put the economy on track, and provide health care and education for America’s children, they should support another candidate,” said Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro. “But I’m confident that Iowans know what I know: our problems will require experience and leadership from Day One. Empty slogans will be no match for proven action on caucus night.”
Also that night, Biden said in a campaign ad, “When this campaign is over, political slogans like ‘experience’ and ‘change’ will mean absolutely nothing. The next president has to act.”
September 26, 2007: Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro said, “Sen. Obama said he would do everything possible to end the war in Iraq and emphasized the need for a political solution yet he failed to show up to vote for Sen. Biden’s critical amendment to provide a political solution in Iraq.
December 26, 2006: “Frankly, I think I’m more qualified than other candidates, and the issues facing the American public are all in my wheelbarrow.”
On Iraq:
Biden on Meet the Press in 2002, discussing Saddam Hussein: “He’s a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security… “We have no choice but to eliminate the threat. This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world.”
Biden on Meet the Press in 2002: “Saddam must be dislodged from his weapons or dislodged from power.”
Biden on Meet the Press in 2007, on Hussein’s WMDs: “Well, the point is, it turned out they didn’t, but everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them. He catalogued — they catalogued them. This was not some, some Cheney, you know, pipe dream. This was, in fact, catalogued.”
Biden, on Obama’s Iraq plan in August 2007: “I don’t want [my son] going [to Iraq],” Delaware Sen. Joe Biden said from the campaign trail Wednesday, according to a report on Radio Iowa. “But I tell you what, I don’t want my grandson or my granddaughters going back in 15 years and so how we leave makes a big difference.” Biden criticized Democratic rivals such as Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama who have voted against Iraq funding bills to try to pressure President Bush to end the war. “There’s no political point worth my son’s life,” Biden said, according to Radio Iowa. “There’s no political point worth anybody’s life out there. None.”
Biden on Meet the Press, April 29, 2007: “The threat [Saddam Hussein] presented was that, if Saddam was left unfettered, which I said during that period, for the next five years with sanctions lifted and billions of dollars into his coffers, then I believed he had the ability to acquire a tactical nuclear weapon — not by building it, by purchasing it. I also believed he was a threat in that he was — every single solitary U.N. resolution which he agreed to abide by, which was the equivalent of a peace agreement at the United Nations, after he got out of — after we kicked him out of Kuwait, he was violating. Now, the rules of the road either mean something or they don’t. The international community says “We’re going to enforce the sanctions we placed” or not. And what was the international community doing? The international community was weakening. They were pulling away.”
Biden to the Brookings Institution in 2005: “We can call it quits and withdraw from Iraq. I think that would be a gigantic mistake. Or we can set a deadline for pulling out, which I fear will only encourage our enemies to wait us out — equally a mistake.”
Analyzing the surge on Meet the Press, September 9, 2007: “I mean, the truth of the matter is that, that the — America’s — this administration’s policy and the surge are a failure, and that the surge, which was supposed to stop sectarian violence and — long enough to give political reconciliation, there’s been no political reconciliation... The reality is that, although there has been some mild progress on the security front, there is, in fact, no, no real security in Baghdad and/or in Anbar province, where I was, dealing with the most serious problem, sectarian violence. Sectarian violence is as strong and as solid and as serious a problem as it was before the surge started.”
Biden in October of 2002: “We must be clear with the American people that we are committing to Iraq for the long haul; not just the day after, but the decade after.”
On Meet the Press, January 7, 2007, assessing the proposal of a surge of troops to Iraq: “If he surges another 20, 30, or whatever number he’s going to, into Baghdad, it’ll be a tragic mistake, in my view, but, as a practical matter, there’s no way to say, ‘Mr. President, stop.’”
On Meet the Press, November 27, 2005: “Unless we fundamentally change the rotation dates and fundamentally change how many members of the National Guard we’re calling up, it’ll be virtually impossible to maintain 150,000 folks this year.” (The number of troops in Iraq peaked at 162,000 in August 2007, during the surge.)
Biden is a sign of the desperation of Hussein’s team. Just a loud-mouthed, arrogant leftist stooge to help spread Hussein’s lies. To spread his rampant socialism. To spread his hate for America, its core values, its freedoms, and its SUCCESS.
Plus, he’s locked up Delaware’s three electorial college votes...
I thought the idea of change was to get rid of Washington insiders.
Loser x 2
In my mind, what speaks the loudest about Obama’s selection of Joe Biden as his running mate is the timing. For weeks he’s been building up the suspense to draw as much attention to the decision as possible only. And yet, when the announcement is made, its made late Friday evening. Friday evening, the time where bad political news goes to die, the time when most politicians release info that could damage them so as to give the bad news the opportunity to be missed entirely. Is this just incompetence or do they know just how weak a pick this is?
This choice also indicates that Barck Obama has a limited view, because in the entire world of Democrats, he selected another member of the US Senate as a running mate; just another symptom of Obama's limited experience.
If Obama has a good day in November, he will get about 220 electoral votes. And the 80% liberal media won't understand how it happened.
Even better news for this country is that Nancy Pelosi might just engineer a Republican majority in the House of Representatives. There are several Democrats who were elected as conservatives or moderates in Republican districts, and now they are tied to Pelosi's agenda.
Whoda thunk it?
I really believe that this was a safe pick to mollify Hillary. She made it clear, “You better not pick someone who will seriously oppose me in 2012 if you blow it in ‘08.”
I see this also as a clear opportunity for McCain to choose a woman and thereby pick up a good share of the disaffected Hillary legions.
Bambi did not make a bold choice.
I’m delighted with Obama’s choice. It shows that he was either too smug or frightened to beg for salvation from Her Evil Highness, who will now do everything in her power to derail his candidacy in Denver. In choosing Biden, Obama has so abandoned the idea of change that even the twit’s in the MSM will find it difficult to overlook. (Not that they won’t try, but they’ll only succeed in looking even more foolish than they already do.)
it sounds to me like Biden and Obama are worlds apart. Now how can Obama go around talking about how he would never have voted for the Iraq war when his very own running mate did?
And how can he say the surge didn’t work when his very own running mate seems to want more troops sent over there?
“the long-time Delaware senator, who now chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was asked by host Tim Russert about changing his position on setting a deadline for pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq. Two years ago he said that setting a deadline for withdrawal would “encourage our enemies to wait us out.” Now he says the war must “end now.” Biden replied, “Well, I have changed my mind, but I haven’t changed my mind in any fundamental way.”
/s
The best thing about this is that McCain won’t be choosing Biden for his VP.
Can anyone find the 1988 video showing Biden plagiarizing Neil Kinnock’s speech? It was a real hoot. I looked on YouTube and couldn’t find it.
Let's HOPE they Change.
Idiot x 2
Left wing kook x 2
Verbal gaffs x 2
Arrogance x 2
A true 'double down'.
I am still pinching myself after this mate pick by Obama.
But this pick is also designed to divert attention AWAY from Obamas leftist history, his radicalism,ghis "foreigness." That is the real idea. Obama does not want that intense examination on him. Bidens job is to divert it away by being a pitt bull attack dog.
Obama needs to remain the target, and he needs to be exposed for the inexperienced cultist fascist prig that he really is. Thats our job and we should not forget it, no matter who his running mate is.
I figure that everyone else turned down the offer for the VP spot except Biden, who was even willing to be McCain’s VP.
From Powerline:
BO-JO 2008
©2008 micadelic
Too freakin’ funny, maybe it should be bo-job?
The Biden pick was as much about flipping off the Clintons as it was about bringing perceived experience to the ticket. I, for one amd delighted at this choice. Biden was a no-show as a candidate for Prez, and will be equally ineffectual as Veep candidate.
We ought to make T-shirts for the DNC.
You know - A 9-11 sort of themed shirt with the logo:
Obama Hussien-Biden - you ain’t seen nothing yet.
If McCain wants to win, he has to make the election about Obama—his ideas, his policies, his inexperience, and his associations.
But I saw his picture next to The Obama's on the front page of the NYP, this morning, and he looks like a cross between televangelist, used-car salesman, and desk cop. There's hard edge in his face that says, "I'm gonna f*ck with you."
So, that's my first impression, anyway.
Thot the same thing myself.
Y now when JB was decided on some time ago.
Y not Mon to carry momentum into the convention?
Well, that would certainly be true if Obama emerges from the DNC as it's presidential candidate.
But it wouldn't hurt to have a "Plan B" which seems to have a likelihood that increases with each news cycle.
The Dems won’t commit political suicide. Obama will be the candidate.
If that is the case, and the Democratic Party acknowledges it, then choosing Barack "Punished with a Baby" Obama would be "suicide."
I have to work the DNC this week. Maybe I ban get a chant going:
‘’OBAMA-BIN-BIDEN!’’
‘’OBAMA-BIN-BIDEN!’’
‘’OBAMA-BIN-BINED!’’
(Heh-heh-hehhhhhhh!)
So much for the "new" kind of politics farce. Obama is now exposed for the dirty back-stabber he really always was.
Nothing represents “change” more than a guy who’s been in Washington since Nixon.
well, the job does offer those nice digs up on Massachussetts Avenue
Ah, good old Senator Hair plugs. This pick of Biden proves Obama is no typical ‘black-American’. How soon they forget, that Biden, was the race baiter and attack dog during the Clarence Thomas hearings. He proved he’s a bigot.
What ought to concern everyone is why we can’t get a pres/VP candidate anywhere except from this corrupt Senate. It’s like government take over by a Media/Senate coop! This year alone....Biden, Edwards, Hillary, McCain, Dodd, Thompson.....and the dems only pick from the Senate....Gore, Edwards, Lieberman, Kerry...
The senate is the LAST place we should be getting our candidates.
sheesh. I gotta quit teasing others for not using spell check!
Whoa! Dat boy’s ears sho do stick out!
It doesn’t matter who the Left runs. With complete media control, union and lawyer money and voter fraud they can win or make it really close.
Biden has a much higher IQ than we do and has said so. But what the selection of Biden really means is that Obama has abandoned any claim to being an agent of change.
To me this is a dumb selection by Oprah’s Obama. He already had DE in the bag! He may see Biden as the Demos’ future “Cheney”. And the American people may buy it yet.
The rat's dream team of hate America and capitalism, the Islamofascist Narcissistic Liar and an Old White Honky Narcissistic Plagiarist/Liar $inator, or Karl Rove strikes again:
Good point. McCain didn’t get to the Congress until a decade after Biden, and he didn’t get to the Senate until about 14 years after Biden did.
I’m guessing Obama thinks this will get him back some of the Hillary-votes he’s lost.
I’m guessing NOT.
mark
I just found out about Biden being Obarfa’s selection, and am ecstatic; I was afraid he would pick Chet Edwards, who had the potential to keep Reagan Democrats from going to McCain.
My God, this is probably the best thing that could happen for the Republicans.
Are you kidding me? Obama Inc. tries the tired line, “McCain is rich” crap, and then . . .
“And now from cable news, we are showing you live video of Joe Biden leaving a Delaware Hotel to go meet with Obama … no, wait! That isn’t a hotel. That’s Joe Biden’s house!”
I mean, imagine a poster, all that’s on it is Joe Biden’s face and the words “HOPE and CHANGE” … I mean, are you kidding me? Where’s the hope and change in that?
I mean, Biden and McCain are friends. So if McCain is guilty of anything for being around 20 plus years in government and “not getting the job done” then for SURE Biden is guilty.
It’s like, I can’t even believe it was Obama who made this decision. It had to have been Dick Cheney. Is Obama that stupid?
From now on, Obama may was well be Joe’s “Igor”. Obama says this, then Joe comes out later and says in so many words, yeah well the boy is going to step aside while I have a few words on the matter.
My first reaction was the same pretty much every person in the grocery store is having – Joe Biden? WHAT A LAUGH!
He's frequently joined forces with them. We couldn't have gotten into the Balkans without Biden, McCain and William Kristol.
Whatahoot.
One more reason for McCain to pick Sarah Palin. She's a gifted speaker and very quick in the debate arena.
Attack dog? Biden is all bark and no bite. Annoying, but harmless.
Don’t kid yourself. Obama still has to be considered the favorite. Watch the bump he receives after the Dem Convention.
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