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Obama and Pro-Life 'Liars' (Dead Babies)
Townhall.com ^ | 8/20/2008 | Terence Jeffrey

Posted on 08/20/2008 2:12:12 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

In an interview with David Brody of CBN on Saturday, Barack Obama leveled a startling charge at the National Right to Life Committee. Brody brought up the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, noting "there was some literature put out by the National Right to Life Committee. And they're basically saying they felt like you misrepresented your position on that bill." Continues...

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Dead Babies

Is there any evidence that Obama has a brain? Whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question is above my pay grade.

"Thoughtful" and 'forcefully intellectual' Obama apparently can't forcefully remember his own voting record. He recently got rated the most left-wing member in the U.S. Senate but he was also the most pro-abortion/pro-infanticide member of the Illinois Senate.

As I wrote back in March, Obama:

-- Racked up a 100 percent rating from the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council, as all "moderates" do.

-- Voted against limits on government funding of abortion and voted to get Illinois to endorse embryonic stem cell "research".

-- Voted against requiring medical care for babies who survive an abortion because he doesn't think the baby is a baby and saving a dying baby would interfere with a "woman's right to choose" and that it's not infanticide. Bringing America together, that Obama.

Mustering his best argument for abortion, Obama told Pastor Rick Warren that he doesn't know when a baby becomes human because, "whether you're looking at it from a theological or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity is above my pay grade," which means he leaves it to a higher authority to answer that -- Michelle. Yes, by all means, let's make this guy commander-in-chief! (Barack, not Michelle, that is.)

Obama quickly added that "the goal right now should be -- and this is where I think we can find common ground . . . is how do we reduce the number of abortions? The fact is that although we have had a president who is opposed to abortion over the last eight years, abortions have not gone down." According to Obama, since there were 1.31 million abortions performed in 2000, but 1.21 million in 2005, this means abortions had gone up! The latest published data (collected by the Guttmacher Institute) shows that the number of abortions had dropped every year during the period 2001 through 20005 (the latest year available). The total number of abortions performed in 2005 was 8 percent lower than in 2000. Among women aged 15 through 44, abortions were down 9 percent in 2005 compared to 2000.

Guttmacher bases its finding on a survey of all abortion providers in America. Obama bases his finding on a speech he gave in 2002.

In 2007, Obama promised pro-abortion groups that, as president, the very first bill he would sign is the "Freedom of Choice Act," which would eliminate all restrictions on abortion, at all levels of government. This must be Obama's plan to lower the number of abortions.

Obama spent the weekend running around accusing pro-life groups of doing what he does habitually -- lying. He told CBN (Christian Broadcasting Network) in an interview Saturday that the National Right to Life group was "lying" when they point out that a state anti-infanticide bill (which he voted against) mirrored exactly the federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which he falsely claims he would have voted for.

The federal bill -- after a 'Roe-neutral clause' was added -- passed without a single 'no' vote in both chambers and was signed into law in 2002, which records show was right around the time Obama finished Kindergarten. But, according to documents uncovered by the National Right to Life group, the state bill Obama voted to kill in his committee had exactly the same "neutrality clause" ("Senate Amendment No. 1") which Obama had been falsely claiming it lacked and that that was the reason he voted against it.

For four years, the Obamatrons had been claiming it's a lie and a smear to say that the state bill (BAIPA) that he voted against was identical to the federal bill -- then The Documents came to light. Just like liberals and Saddam claiming Iraq had no ties to terrorists, then captured documents come to light showing the opposite. What is it with these Husseins?

Obama apparently loves abortions so much, he's performing one on his own campaign. Realclearpolitics.com now shows McCain on top in the Electoral College, 274-264, leaning states included, even before the Saddleback effect fully kicks in. Up until recently, Obama was in the 300s. Right around this time in 2004, Kerry was ahead, 317-202 (H/t: Sean Hannity). Brand new LA Times/Bloomberg poll shows Obama's 12-point lead in June evaporating to a dead-heat currently.

If you're looking to pinpoint the moment Dukakis lost the '88 election, his botched answer to the death penalty question during the debates was it. Asked if his wife were raped and murdered, would he favor an irrevocable death penalty against the perp, a technocratic 'no, I wouldn't' was the best he could serve up. (He was obviously trying to shake away his chilly, technocratic image.) Put the same 'when does a baby get human rights' question to Dukakis, and it would be the same, 'sorry, ol' boy, can't answer, above my pay grade' pap that Obama offered up. The only difference being that, after giving his meandering answer, Obama's braincell was hurting.

Whether it's dead babies or what to do with Kitty Dukakis's hypothetical killer, libbies vault to the top as the least qualified to handle the moral clarity stuff. Which is why Dukakis II is going down in November, too.

Anyway, that's...
My Two Cents...
"JohnHuang2"



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1 posted on 08/20/2008 2:12:12 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: xm177e2; mercy; Wait4Truth; hole_n_one; GretchenEE; Clinton's a rapist; buffyt; ladyinred; Angel; ..

Pro-life Mega ping...


2 posted on 08/20/2008 2:13:07 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2

I rather be a war monger (country defender) than a liberal baby killing coward.


3 posted on 08/20/2008 2:17:00 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: JohnHuang2

A few reasons to suspect Obama has Attention Deficit, the criteria for ADHD symptoms from;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention-deficit_hyperactivity_disorder

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1. Often forgetful in daily activities.

Example: Obama says he doesn’t pay much attention to McCains campaign adds, yet he knows what isn’t in them,

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2. Often has trouble keeping attention on tasks or play activities.

Example: Joe Bidens observations;

Biden wasn’t always defending Obama...

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/17/1204594.aspx

On Aug. 1, 2007, when Obama unveiled his counterterrorism agenda, the Biden camp fired off a snarky email congratulating him for his “Johnny-come-lately position” on Afghanistan, noting that during two Foreign Relations Committee hearings on Afghanistan and other subjects, Obama didn’t ask questions about the Taliban, Al Qaeda, or Afghanistan.

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3. Often forgetful in daily activities.

Example: Obama says “ahhhhh” all the time when he isn’t scripted

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4. Often avoids, dislikes, or doesn’t want to do things that take a lot of mental effort for a long period of time (such as schoolwork or homework).

Example: Obama stayed less than 1 day in Iraq to study what was happening on the ground

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Another Freepers input:
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I wouldn’t be surprised. People with actually ADHD (not just six year olds with a lot of energy), actually diagnosable ADHD, when there brains develop they have certain parts of their brain develop at slower/faster rates.

The part of the brain that process speech develops at a quicker rate than the brain. (OBama’s ability to speak well, at least on a TelePrompter anyway could come from that).

Also, parts of the brain (the lining of it) that don’t develop is the front part of the brain (frontal lobe, also called the executive function) as quickly (or in the case of adults the fact that the delay is caused has permanent effects) and cause that person to exhibit hasty or seemly thought out speech/actions. Causes a lot of Foot in mouth syndrome.

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4 posted on 08/20/2008 2:22:28 AM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: JohnHuang2

Obama chooses death for Babies, over ”PROBABLY” crossing the lines in terms of unconstitutionality,

State of Illinois
92nd General Assembly
Regular Session
Senate Transcript March 30, 2001

Page 87

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf

And if we’re placing a burden on the doctor that says you have to
keep alive even a previable child as long as possible and give them as
much medical attention as — as is necessary to keep that child alive,
then we’re probably crossing the lines in terms of unconstitutionality.


5 posted on 08/20/2008 2:22:38 AM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: bmwcyle

More evidence Obama has Attention Deficit, from;

What is Compulsive Lying?

By Derek Wood, RN, BC, MS
Clinical Content Director
Get Mental Help, Inc.
Mental Health Matters
Mental Health Professional
Psychiatric Nurse, PhD Candidate

http://www.mental-health-matters.com/articles/article.php?artID=153

There are a number of reasons that people lie. The first is fear. This is the most common reason that people may lie, and they are taking shelter from a perceived punishment. It may be because they know they have done something wrong a single time, in which case it is not compulsive lying.

But if they are always in fear of being punished, it may become a habit, which is a second reason for lying. In this case, it may become compulsive lying, which is lying by reflex. Even when confronted by the truth, they insist the lie is the truth in this case.

A third case is learning to lie through modeling. When a people see others lie, especially when they get away with it, they may become more prone to lying.

Finally, people lie because they feel if they tell the truth they won’t get what they want. Thus, out of the main reasons for lying, only lying by habit can truly be called “compulsive lying.”

Increased lying has been seen with a number of psychiatric diagnoses such as ADHD and Bipolar Disorder. With ADHD people will often say “I don’t know why I did that”, and when confronted about why they lied, their answer will be the same.

ADHD children also display impulsivity, and they may lie implusively. Bipolar Disorder can be associated with low serotonin levels, which has been implicated in impulsivity, which, as indicated before, makes a person more prone to lie.


6 posted on 08/20/2008 2:22:44 AM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: JohnHuang2

Lying to cover up his vote is bad, especially on this issue, and he was most probably in Saddleback church when interviewed by David Brody.

(”I was just granted an exclusive one on one interview with Barack Obama here at the Saddleback Civil Forum. CBN News was the only media outlet to go behind the scenes and conduct an interview. It happened literally two minutes after Obama walked off the stage.” - http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/429313.aspx)


7 posted on 08/20/2008 2:35:31 AM PDT by igoramus08
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To: theKid51; Apple Blossom

ping


8 posted on 08/20/2008 3:05:22 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: JohnHuang2
Obama is a shining example of how to get ahead in American if you're Black:

Have a White Mother

Have a Black Father that deserts his family

Get raised by White Grandparents or Foreigners

Don't grow up in a Major American City

Take advantage of all preferential educational/employment programs

Lie

9 posted on 08/20/2008 3:17:32 AM PDT by leadhead (Do or do not, there is no try)
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To: JohnHuang2

It appears that he wants to get the votes of the 50+ percent who vote pro-life, and yet it doesn’t occur to his little brain that he insults every one of us when he calls the well-researched leaders of the pro-life movement “liars”.


11 posted on 08/20/2008 3:46:47 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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Last night on Hannity and Colmes, an Obama supporter kept repeating “So your saying Obama is for killing babies” in his defense of Obamas vote. The way the liberals twist things is unreal. And in answer to his statement....DUH, if the shoe fits...if an aborted babies comes out alive, treat the baby instead of ignoring it until it dies. That is a cold and heartless thing to do, just let a baby die. It is bad enough that one inch into a womans womb and a baby can get legally killed but when a baby is out, TREAT IT! If Obama cannot vote for giving that child help then he is for “Killing of babies”!


12 posted on 08/20/2008 4:01:39 AM PDT by blueyon (Every one should get their 15 mins under the bus)
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To: JohnHuang2

A package of Born Alive bills was introduced three times during Obama’s tenure.

The cornerstone bill was the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which defined legal personhood. This definition was identical to the federal BAIPA (1) which was drafted from the definition of “live birth” created by the World Health Organization in 1950 (2) and adopted by the United Nations in 1955 (3)....

Here I will only post links to Obama’s actions and votes on the cornerstone bill, the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. The bill number changed every year it was reintroduced.

2001

Senate Bill 1095 (4), Born Alive Infant Protection Act

Go here to view Obama’s “no” vote (5) in the Senate Judiciary Committee on March 28, 2001.

Transcript of Obama’s verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor (6), March 30, 2001, pages 84-90

Obama’s verbal oppostion to Born alive, (7) “And if we’re placing a burden on the doctor that says you have to keep alive even a previable child as long as possible and give them as much medical attention as — as is necessary to keep that child alive, then we’re probably crossing the lines in terms of unconstitutionality.” March 30, 2001

Obama’s “present” vote on the IL Senate floor ( 8 ), March 30, 2001

2002

Senate Bill 1662 ( 9 ), Born Alive Infant Protection Act

Go here to view Obama’s “no” vote in the Senate Judiciary Committee (10) on March 6, 2002. (ABC inadvertently coped bill #1663, a companion bill. The vote for the Born Alive bill, #1662, was identical.)

Transcript of Obama’s verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor (11), April 4, 2002, pages 28-35

Obama’s “no” vote on the IL Senate floor (12), April 4, 2002

2003

Senate Bill 1082 (13), Born Alive Infant Protection Act

Democrats took control of the IL Senate with the 2002 elections. They sent Born Alive to the infamously liberal Health & Human Services Committee, chaired by Barack Obama (14).

As can be seen on the Actions docket (15), Obama held Born Alive on March 6, 2003, from even being voted on in committee. It is also important to note from the docket that on March 13, 2003, Obama stopped the senate sponsor from adding the lately discussed clarification paragraph (16) from the federal BAIPA, to make the bills absolutely identical.

1. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h107-2175

2. http://www.who.int/healthinfo/statistics/indunder5mortality/en/

3. http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/sconcerns/natality/natmethods.htm

4. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1095.html

5. http://www.jillstanek.com/Senate_Committee_Vote_32701.pdf

6. http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf

7. http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf

8. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/srollcalls92/920SB1095_03302001_030000T.PDF

9. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1662.html

10. http://www.jillstanek.com/Senate_Committee_Vote_3502.pdf

11. http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pdf

12. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/srollcalls92/920SB1662_04042002_014000T.pdf

13. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1082&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=3910&SessionID=3&GA=93

14. http://www.ilga.gov/senate/committees/members.asp?GA=93&committeeID=85

15. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1082&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=3910&SessionID=3&GA=93

16. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09300SB1082sam001&GA=93&SessionId=3&DocTypeId=SB&LegID=3910&DocNum=1082&GAID=3&Session=


13 posted on 08/20/2008 4:05:03 AM PDT by Joiseydude
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To: JohnHuang2

Obama is sinking so quickly that I worry the Clinton machine may rerun the New Jersey option.

Remember when Senator Torricelli was outed as a sleazy shakedown artist and his poll numbers tanked? All of a sudden the NJ Legislature found a “law” that permitted a substitution to be made on the ballot.

Welcome Senator Lautenberg! Welcome Candidate Clinton!


14 posted on 08/20/2008 4:11:06 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: blueyon

“So your saying Obama is for killing babies”
YES, YES, YES.....
OBAMA THE BABYKILLER!!


15 posted on 08/20/2008 4:13:30 AM PDT by BilLies
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To: JohnHuang2

I appreciate your two cents.


16 posted on 08/20/2008 4:19:42 AM PDT by proud2beconservativeinNJ ("In God We Trust")
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To: JohnHuang2

Great essay as always


17 posted on 08/20/2008 4:23:09 AM PDT by Kaslin (Vote Democrat if you like high gas prices at the pump)
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To: JohnHuang2

18 posted on 08/20/2008 4:43:13 AM PDT by Joiseydude
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To: JohnHuang2

Your *two cents* are worth trillions....


19 posted on 08/20/2008 4:56:09 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: JohnHuang2

Thanks JH2. I often wonder, when dems talk about the need to reduce the number of abortions - why should we? If abortions don’t take a life, why limit the number? We don’t limit the number of tooth extractions or kidney transplants or Biden enhancements, so why limit another “necessary” surgical procedure?


20 posted on 08/20/2008 5:38:53 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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