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U.S. Inflation Hits 17-Year High As Increases Move Beyond Food, Oil [Consumer prices jumped 5.6%]
Wall Street Journal ^

Posted on 08/14/2008 6:18:42 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

U.S. Inflation Hits 17-Year High As Increases Move Beyond Food, Oil By BRIAN BLACKSTONE August 14, 2008 9:15 a.m.

WASHINGTON -- U.S. inflation soared to a 17-year-high annual rate in July, a government report showed, led by gains in food, energy, airline fares and apparel.

Separately, the number of U.S. workers filing new claims for unemployment benefits fell slightly as expected last week but remained at high levels consistent with a rapid erosion in labor markets.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008; democratcongress; democratparty; democrats; donothingdemocrats; economy; elections; energy; inflation; oil; pelosi; wheresnancy
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To: Designer
My company "gives" us a whopping 3% and we're supposed to be grateful.

Yeah, I got 4 percent, and I'm very lucky to get that much. But it sucks losing ground because our government won't remove its head from its a**.
21 posted on 08/14/2008 7:42:21 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Huck
The weak dollar has a 20%-30% effect on the rising cost of oil. Another 10%-20% is based on speculators and the “fear premium”. The rest is supply and demand based on a futures market. Strengthen the dollar and still oil will be over $100 a barrel. Invest in expanding domestic supplies 2 million barrels a day and prices will drop to $50-$60 a barrel.
22 posted on 08/14/2008 7:44:43 AM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: Huck

I don’t think what we’re seeing is “inflation” by definition.

We’re seeing increased prices, yes, but there is a difference.

As you say, the dollar is strengthening, which is the opposite of inflation.

Inflation, economically, is “too many dollars chasing too few goods”.
It’s not that we have too little food - it’s just that transportation costs, due to lack of oil supply (this IS inflationary), have gone up.


23 posted on 08/14/2008 7:45:30 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: meyer
Funny how this has all happened since the ‘rats have taken over congress.

Remember, in May, 48% of American's said congress was controlled by the GOP.
24 posted on 08/14/2008 7:51:19 AM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: tobyhill

Spot on, well said


25 posted on 08/14/2008 7:54:22 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: tobyhill
Clinton's administration will go down in history for two things, impeached and Branch Davidian.

...and the Gorelick wall that lead to the successful attacks of 9/11/01!!!

26 posted on 08/14/2008 8:01:19 AM PDT by Roccus (Able Danger??? What's an Able Danger?????)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
WIN! Whip Inflation Now!

The opening of trading on the NYSE after that speech saw a multitude of "LOSE" buttons on the floor of the exchange.

27 posted on 08/14/2008 8:04:22 AM PDT by Roccus (Someday it'll all make sense.....maybe.)
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To: tobyhill
The weak dollar has a 20%-30% effect on the rising cost of oil. Another 10%-20%

Ok, so if I add those together, at the midpoint, that's 25%+15%=40%. Oil's at roughly $120 right now. The weak dollar would account for $24 bucks. Oil would be $96. So it looks like if you strengthen the dollar, by your numbers, oil would be under $100/barrel.

My biggest question has to do with this talk of "domestic supply." Hannity was talking last night about increasing domestic supply and energy independence, as if they are related. But I don't get how that can be.

We don't own the oil. Private companies will own it, assuming we sell them leases and allow drilling, right? And that oil won't be earmarked for domestic use, will it? It's price won't be subject merely to US demand, will it? It will add to the global supply, and impact the price however much it will, but drilling for oil won't create energy independence at all, will it? We'll still be buying foreign oil, and the price will still be subject to global demand, won't it?

Seems to me, energy independence will require something other than oil.

28 posted on 08/14/2008 8:05:56 AM PDT by Huck (A Teddy Roosevelt wannabe is better than a Che Guevara wannabe.)
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To: TexasGunLover
Remember, in May, 48% of American's said congress was controlled by the GOP.

I saw that also, but have not been able to find any links to that poll, only references to it. Got any? I could sure use 'em.

29 posted on 08/14/2008 8:08:59 AM PDT by Roccus (Someday it'll all make sense.....maybe.)
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To: MrB
it’s just that transportation costs, due to lack of oil supply

I'm not sure that's true. Oil prices have gone from $60 to $120 in 4 years. I am not aware of demand for oil doubling during that time. Demand is rising, but doubled? I'm not so sure about that. My understanding is that the weak dollar is the root of the oil bubble.

30 posted on 08/14/2008 8:10:11 AM PDT by Huck (A Teddy Roosevelt wannabe is better than a Che Guevara wannabe.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“***We’re back to 1973. ***

WIN! Whip Inflation Now!”

NIM! No immediate miracles!


31 posted on 08/14/2008 8:11:27 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: TomGuy
My stock-based annuity lost nearly 30% of its value in the last 5 months.

That sounds more like a leveraged hedge fund than an annuity. Annuities by definition should pay a stable amount. Stocks are for younger investors that can wait out a long down cycle. Did they invest in mortgages with borrowed money? I'm wondering if they are running a scam.

32 posted on 08/14/2008 8:13:34 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: Huck
Ok. $96 instead of $100. Still not a bargain. Right now the dollar is at a 16 month high but oil hasn't fallen to a 16 month low.
I'm not saying the weakened dollar doesn't have an effect but everything looks good when oil is at $50-$60 a barrel.
Europe has had an extremely high Euro yet they also have record high oil prices so it kind of puts a damper on the whole argument that currency value is everything to the price of oil.
33 posted on 08/14/2008 8:21:12 AM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: Carley
"Be interesting to see what the COLA is for our military."

Washington will figure out a way to screw them like they did the retirees. Those on SS this year got 2.3% increase to cope with 5.6%. Increased costs plus reduced retiree income by slashed interest rates will have an effect on how seniors vote. They are not better off than they were 4 years ago.

34 posted on 08/14/2008 8:21:53 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Reeses
That sounds more like a leveraged hedge fund than an annuity. Annuities by definition should pay a stable amount.

No.

It is an annuity based on mutual funds. It pays out a stable amount, but the value behind it -- the mutual funds -- i.e., the stocks -- have decreased in value, so the overall value of the annity/mutual fund/stocks has gone down.

It still pays out a consistent amount. It is just that the overall value of the annuity is down by about 28%. So, if the current value held/froze, the pay out numbers will be about 1/4 fewer to deplete the fund.
35 posted on 08/14/2008 8:28:55 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: tobyhill
Well hey, I'm no expert. That's why I'm probing the subject. This chart seems to show a pretty strong relationship. Dollar falls, oil rises.


36 posted on 08/14/2008 8:29:02 AM PDT by Huck (A Teddy Roosevelt wannabe is better than a Che Guevara wannabe.)
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To: Huck
That's why I use the sinking boat metaphor.

Like the "Kings new Clothes" fable.

Everyone around me says "oooh, the water's rising(gas price)"

I think the boat is sinking.

37 posted on 08/14/2008 8:35:52 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

It’s all due to the recent past precipitous rise in crude, which is in the process (currently) of coming down. Don’t let some Partisan Media Shill (or some goldbug, or some so-called balanced budget advocate) distract.


38 posted on 08/14/2008 8:49:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Huck
My biggest question has to do with this talk of "domestic supply.

If you really want to get upset, do some research on the 27.5 percent oil depletion allowance that was in effect from 1926 until 1974.
This politically driven taxbreak gave producers of oil from domestic oil wells a tax deduction of about 27.5 percent of the value of the crude oil sold.

This was pre-OPEC and at time when crude oil from foreign sources was a glut on the market and often cost less (including shipping) than the cost of producing oil from domestic wells.
But the oil depletion allowance distorted the market and corporations made business decisions based on tax law as opposed to other industry and market criteria.

Because of these distortions caused by tax breaks, companies pumped our own, often more costly, domestic oil rather than buying cheap foreign oil because they ended up with more profit.

This was at a time when foreign oil was available for $2 - $3 a barrel (about $20 in 2008 dollars).
Without this sweetheart taxbreak we would still have much more of our own oil still in the ground.

Annual Average Domestic Crude Oil Prices 1949-Present

Oil Depletion Allowance (1)

Oil Depletion Allowance (2)

"Numerous studies showed that the oilmen were getting a tax break that was unprecedented in American business. While other businessmen had to pay taxes on their income regardless of what they sold, the oilmen got special treatment."

"An oilman drills a well that costs $100,000. He finds a reservoir containing $10,000,000 worth of oil. The well produces $1 million worth of oil per year for ten years. In the very first year, thanks to the depletion allowance, the oilman could deduct 27.5 per cent, or $275,000, of that $1 million in income from his taxable income. Thus, in just one year, he's deducted nearly three times his initial investment. But the depletion allowance continues to pay off. For each of the next nine years, he gets to continue taking the $275,000 depletion deduction. By the end of the tenth year, the oilman has deducted $2.75 million from his taxable income, even though his initial investment was only $100,000."

39 posted on 08/14/2008 8:53:43 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Just one more of a long line of “CHANGES” we’ve seen since dim-os won the congress back with their “common sense approach” to “CHANGING” the direction of America.


40 posted on 08/14/2008 8:58:06 AM PDT by weezel
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