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Latest decision: Cross can stay (Mount Soledad)
San Diego Union - Tribune ^
| 7/30/08
| Onell R. Soto and Matthew T. Hall
Posted on 07/30/2008 11:56:12 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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Overview Background: For decades, civil libertarians have battled with defenders of the 43-foot-tall cross atop Mount Soledad, leading to ballot propositions, lawsuits and a takeover by the federal government all over the issue of whether the display on public land is constitutional.
What's changing: A federal judge ruled yesterday that the cross is more a secular memorial to war veterans than a statement promoting religion. He said the cross can stay on federal land.
The future: Opponents of the cross are considering whether to appeal.
Online: Read the judge's 36-page ruling at uniontrib.com/more/documents.
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posted on
07/30/2008 11:56:59 AM PDT
by
NormsRevenge
(Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
2006 file photo / Union-Tribune
A judge says the cross atop Mount Soledad communicates
primarily nonreligious messages of military service and sacrifice.
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posted on
07/30/2008 12:00:24 PM PDT
by
NormsRevenge
(Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
To: NormsRevenge
For decades, civil libertarians have battled These ACLU people are not 'civil libertarians'.
L
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posted on
07/30/2008 12:07:16 PM PDT
by
Lurker
(Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR to get them within throat-cutting range.)
To: NormsRevenge
Moving to La Jolla this weekend, my wife accepted a teaching position at a school which is just below this cross; I look forward to seeing it again soon.
To: NormsRevenge
I can see this being won on appeal in a close decision at the Supreme Court with the pro-cross side winning. If not, simply sell the land to a non-profit veterans group and it becomes private land and the ACLU jerks can go pound sand until it turns to glass.
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posted on
07/30/2008 12:12:30 PM PDT
by
MissouriConservative
(Never pick a fight with an ugly person; they've got nothing to lose.)
To: NormsRevenge
“s critics complain it's unconstitutional “
There are no critics - it was one critic that sued. He was an atheist. The people of the city voted many times to keep it and this one guy kept it in the court system. I believe however he recently died and is worm food.
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posted on
07/30/2008 12:16:30 PM PDT
by
edcoil
To: MissouriConservative
This one has been going on for years.
The Godless won’t give up.
fyi
The Judge on this latest go-around.. GW 2003 appointee
Burns, Larry Alan
Born 1954 in Pasadena, CA
Federal Judicial Service:
Judge, U. S. District Court, Southern District of California
Nominated by George W. Bush on May 1, 2003, to a new seat created by 116 Stat. 1758; Confirmed by the Senate on September 24, 2003, and received commission on September 25, 2003.
U.S. Magistrate Judge, U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California, 1997-2003
Education:
Point Loma College, B.A., 1976
University of San Diego School of Law, J.D., 1979
Professional Career:
Deputy district attorney, San Diego County, California, 1979-1985
Assistant U.S. attorney, Southern District of California, 1985-1997
Race or Ethnicity: White
Gender: Male
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posted on
07/30/2008 12:17:14 PM PDT
by
NormsRevenge
(Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
To: edcoil
Paulson died in 2006.
Guess I remembered correctly.
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posted on
07/30/2008 12:18:04 PM PDT
by
edcoil
To: NormsRevenge
suck on that Anti-Christian Lawyers Union.
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posted on
07/30/2008 12:19:54 PM PDT
by
Proud_USA_Republican
(We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
To: Lurker
To: SF Republican
Welcome to San Diego. Many fine FReepers here.
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posted on
07/30/2008 12:30:05 PM PDT
by
SoCalPol
(Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
To: NormsRevenge; zot
Perhaps the next target of the athiests will be the letter “T” since it is in the form of a cross, thus showing making every piece of printed paper a “religious symbol.”
Fear the Cross, Fear the “T” -— and then they can campaign against t-shirts!
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posted on
07/30/2008 12:31:21 PM PDT
by
GreyFriar
( 3rd Armored Division - Spearhead)
To: NormsRevenge
To: NormsRevenge
Why is this even in Federal court? The Federal judiciary has NO JURISDICTION over religion in the states. It is a violation of the 1st and 10th Amendments. No state or local official is required to answer or appear at any Federal hearing on the matter.
I am so sick of the surrender to Federal judges. Someone please read the Constitution!
To: montag813
Why is this even in Federal court? The Federal judiciary has NO JURISDICTION over religion in the states.
It was on Federal property. From the text: "That year (2006), Congress passed a law taking the cross and the land on which it sits by eminent domain and giving it to the U.S. Department of Defense."
To: NormsRevenge
"The central fact of the case is I lost to a cross, said David Blair-Loy. "Because I wasn't good enough...Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww."
Cheer up David, I'll bet your great-grand-children will enjoy it.
To: NormsRevenge
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posted on
07/30/2008 1:54:23 PM PDT
by
newzjunkey
(Racist, Charismatic Leader Promises Hope, Change and Socialism? USA, 2008 or Germany, 1932?)
To: MissouriConservative
If not, simply sell the land to a non-profit veterans group and it becomes private land and the ACLU jerks can go pound sand until it turns to glass.
If I recall correctly, that was tried. The courts blocked the sale of the land.
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posted on
07/30/2008 2:01:33 PM PDT
by
fr_freak
To: SF Republican
Moving to La Jolla this weekend,...Who will defend us normal Bay Area/SF folks from ad hominem attacks on FR?
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