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Public shouldn’t fall for Obama’s rhetoric
The Ironton Tribune ^ | Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:36 AM EDT | Joseph Benning

Posted on 07/16/2008 9:51:59 PM PDT by OneLoyalAmerican

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21 posted on 07/17/2008 2:20:47 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Now Obama's plan!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Stick to the left-wing comparisons and not the Nazi ones

Have you forgotten that Hitler was a socialist and leader of the National Socialists Party (Nationalsozialismus)?

Hitler was a socialist
22 posted on 07/17/2008 2:56:32 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: OneLoyalAmerican
"Both reared in single parent households; neither brought much of a resume on the campaign trail."

Actually, Hitler had 4 years on the front lines in WWI and earned the Iron Cross. Second, by 1933 Hitler had been a national figure for 10 years and had built up a political movement to challenge the Socialists and Communists from scratch. Compared to his rivals, Hitler promoted a more realistic plan to solve Germany's problems.

So, it's misleading to say Hitler's resume was thin and that he was just about words.

23 posted on 07/17/2008 2:58:32 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (We're screwed '08)
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To: OneLoyalAmerican
Some of the comments made me chuckle. Things that concern me though:

—People already “reporting” incidents of perceived non-compliance to the Obama campaign. Low level activity already. What does behavior like this already demonstrate? Is this person bucking for a new position on the Obama national police?

—People being upset by the comparison, yet they do the same thing to Bush. And where is Bush attacking them for libel? Obama needs to get a thicker skin if he understands he must put up with a lot of stuff as President. Stuff that comes from inside the country and outside too.

—The incessant attempts to limit what people say, think, or feel by Obamites.

I don't think they themselves understand that they are perpetuating the image they are trying to deflect. While I don't see Obama as another Hitler, I do see much of his rhetoric as inflammatory fascism with a smiley face. The tactics being used by the Obamites are the beginnings of this cultural police state and is worrisome.

His rise is much more like Mussolini than Hitler. Obama has no need to organize the militant faction of the party, he already knows it organizes itself around him from his community experience. Part of this election is fascinating to watch. I have often wondered how whole countries could fall to such men as Mussolini or Hitler, etc. Here I see it trying to happen right in front of me, down to real life examples of people 'reporting' others to the Obama campaign thought police. A form of intimidation. I still can't understand how people so willing surrender to such ideologies and rhetoric without blinking an eye?

Part of the election is frightening. I think this is the first time that I can say the election is not Free. People who see Obama's policies as dangerous and disagree with him on the issues are facing intimidation from the Obamites. There is a distinct difficulty in trying to discuss issues, debate topics, and compare positions of the two candidates.

24 posted on 07/17/2008 4:04:45 AM PDT by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: EBH

very insightful post there,,gave words to what has been tickling around in my brain.


25 posted on 07/17/2008 4:07:07 AM PDT by cajungirl
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To: OneLoyalAmerican

civilian force equals brownshirts.

The Obama/Hitler comparisons are a bit over the top but the thinking, the primitive control of thought and speech, is the same.

I think all evil leaders, all evil governments, all evil movements have something in common and that is a kind of thinking that, at the start, doesn’t seem that evil.


26 posted on 07/17/2008 4:11:42 AM PDT by cajungirl
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To: OneLoyalAmerican
Somewhere around 75 or so years ago, from out of nowhere a stealth politician arose. He too sought the nomination for his nation’s highest office; refreshingly different from other politicians of the era. This Austrian born wallpaper hanger’s background is too much like our Illinois lawyer’s. Both reared in single parent households; neither brought much of a resume on the campaign trail.

The one hung wallpaper the other hung “present” votes. Neither has an authentic performance record for which the electorate might judge the candidate.

Except the failed artist, the failed architect, the paperhanger, was a veteran, had received at least one Iron Cross, and was wounded in action. He was not a coward.

He was a cynical opportunist, however, like the present one.

27 posted on 07/17/2008 4:15:38 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: OneLoyalAmerican

I don’t see the parallel. Hitler commanded a thug army willing to go into the streets and physically attack his enemies. Will obama sent a brigade of metrosexuals out to hit us over the head with their purses?

Leftists in today’s America are cowards.


28 posted on 07/17/2008 5:01:38 AM PDT by sergeantdave (We are entering the Age of the Idiot)
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To: sergeantdave
The only thing you need to say to an Obama supporter is “Your sort of old to be believing in leprechauns?”
29 posted on 07/17/2008 5:06:58 AM PDT by libertyhoundusnr
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

“stick to the left-wing comparisons and not the nazi ones”

???

one and the same, are they not? (except for the methods of expropriation)


30 posted on 07/17/2008 5:17:22 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Add to that that Adolf (born 1889) was 14 years old when his father Alois (died 1903) died. Per wikipedia, by 1905 he was living on his own in Vienna. (This matches up with what I can remember from Hitler’s early life in Toland and Waite.) He was young but independence at that age was pretty common in earlier decades. So while it is true he was still a minor when his mother was widowed, to say Adolf Hitler was “reared in a single parent household” seems a wee bit of a stretch to me. (And IIRC, Toland said it was HIGHLY unusual for a ‘nobody’ like Hitler to get the Iron Cross (3rd class : He claims that sort of commendation was unofficially reserved for those born in higher social classes. IOW, Hitler’s heroism was real-he was a dispatch runner and that was a very risky duty. BTW, it was a Jewish officer who nominated Hitler for that award-again , Toland.)


31 posted on 07/17/2008 8:02:09 AM PDT by Verloona Ti
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To: OneLoyalAmerican

“While reading Audacity of Hope, my reflections where how the book reeks of Marx style class warfare rhetoric.”

-Don’t bother reading “Audacity of Hope”. It was written as a position (read as PUFF) piece for a presidential candidate. Read “Dreams from My Father”...though I do not believe it is not without it’s contrivances, I do believe it’s yards closer to the real Barry Dunham than anything since.

Cheers,

J


32 posted on 07/17/2008 9:32:39 AM PDT by johnnycap
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To: OneLoyalAmerican

“While reading Audacity of Hope, my reflections where how the book reeks of Marx style class warfare rhetoric.”

-Don’t bother reading “Audacity of Hope”. It was written as a position (read as PUFF) piece for a presidential candidate. Read “Dreams from My Father”...though I do not believe it is not without it’s contrivances, I do believe it’s yards closer to the real Barry Dunham than anything since.

Cheers,

J


33 posted on 07/17/2008 9:32:40 AM PDT by johnnycap
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To: dixjea

“Wow! You write beautifully!
I don’t know if that is a true story or not but it should be.
Thank you.”

-The story is ABSOLUTELY TRUE and happened yesterday at lunch in the financial district in San Francisco. (Want to see the receipt? LOL). Anyhow, the best thing about the encounter is it gave pause to a person in this liberal bastion who has not even considered thinking about doing anything Nancy Pelosi wouldn’t do. To have impact, we must have the courage to express our views in no uncertain terms to those who disagree. That doesn’t mean racist, sexist or anything else but honest. You have to tread lightly but polite, professional, people can make their point. Come at it from the “I want what’s best for my country as you do but I am concerned about the following...”

As for the writing quality...you are kind but I have miles to go before I ever get to beautiful but thank you.


34 posted on 07/17/2008 9:37:28 AM PDT by johnnycap
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To: Verloona Ti
Thanks for the additional information. I just don't think that it's useful to push a Hitler-Obama comparison. Especially, when there are obvious mistakes made in making what is supposed to be an historical comparison.

No one needs to exaggerate Obama to defeat him. I think one could give Obama a huge dent simply by plastering his statements about how we need to eat less and drive less, because that's somehow taking from foreign countries. Then you could go into Obama's books that he recorded and completely shred the guy in his own words, in his own voice. Hugh Hewitt has done some of this.

Then you can take Obama's recent speech to La Raza and comments on how we all should speak Spanish.

Obama's a gift that keeps on giving, but he's not facing a political party, but a Senior Citizens Club.

35 posted on 07/17/2008 1:20:05 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (We're screwed '08)
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To: ripley; Beckwith
I am no Obama fan, but let me further explain my concern about the Hitler comparison.

People often ponder what would have happened if someone had been brave enough to kill Hitler before he could do what he did. Thus, comparing Obama to Hitler is a very good way to encourage his assassination by someone on the right.

If a lunatic who associated himself with conservatives killed Obama can you imagine what might play out?

With a lot of the new snooping powers the current administration has given the President, they would make a list of all right-of-center activists. They would arrents Limbaugh, Hannity, etc for incitement. They could do to the US exactly what the right fears.

Obama is dangerous as POTUS, but he is more dangerous to the US as an assassinated POTUS.

36 posted on 07/18/2008 6:26:58 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Bomb Liechtenstein!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

does anyone fear when liberal democrats refer to republicans as nazis which they have done so often in the past?

does anyone fear when liberal democrats say that republicans are going to starve children and old people?

apparently, freedom of speech without government restriction only exists for those who arrogate the status of high gods and godesses.

the only danger in free speech is that a totalitarian government will stifle it with great vigor and venom.

IMHO


37 posted on 07/18/2008 7:12:20 AM PDT by ripley
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To: ripley

I think there are plenty of people who fear it.

Is there something wrong with your SHIFT key?


38 posted on 07/18/2008 7:14:46 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Bomb Liechtenstein!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

“i think there are plenty of people who fear it.”

there are plenty of people who fear the second amendment as well as the first.

is it time to discard all the amendments that are feared and/or reviled?


39 posted on 07/18/2008 8:58:34 AM PDT by ripley
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