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Don't jail burglars judges are urged: It's a 'less serious' offence, say law chief's advisers
dailymail.co.uk ^ | July 9, 2008 | Matthew Hickley

Posted on 07/10/2008 1:02:10 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Burglars should no longer be sentenced to jail, official advisers have said.

Unpaid work or a curfew would normally be a better way of punishing break-ins and thefts, said a panel that issues guidelines to judges.

The report - part of a consultation document on criminal sentencing - is likely to heighten concerns that Britain's courts are not punishing offenders harshly enough to deter others.

It also says victims of crime could be allowed a say in the way criminals are punished - but only if they call for leniency rather than harsh sentencing.

For the first time, magistrates and judges could be ordered to listen to victims - or bereaved relatives - and be guided by their views on how an offender should best be punished. But, crucially, only messages of for-

Victims could be allowed a say in the way criminals are punished in court – but only if they call for leniency rather than harsh sentencing.

For the first time, magistrates and judges could be ordered to listen to victims – or bereaved relatives – and be guided by their views on how an offender should best be punished.

But, crucially, only messages of forgiveness would be taken into consideration.

The views of those who demanded the harshest penalties would be disregarded.

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1 posted on 07/10/2008 1:02:10 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It seems every day I see something about Britain which makes me think the country has gone stark raving mad. Maybe this is all a joke or something, it can’t possibly be real.


2 posted on 07/10/2008 1:05:46 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog
Jailing burglars really is too expensive.

Caning them, on the other hand... ;)

3 posted on 07/10/2008 1:11:32 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: yarddog

This actually seems like a pretty reasonable, even responsible thing to do, IF it were in the US. After all, there’d be a few less break-ins after a fashion.... (sounds of shotgun racking)


4 posted on 07/10/2008 1:11:55 PM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: yarddog

If by unpaid work they mean indentured servitude and transportation to some uncivilized area there might be a point here. Otherwise, it’s idiotic.


5 posted on 07/10/2008 1:11:57 PM PDT by JMS
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Braking into someones house is one of the worst possible crimes. The owners are left emotionally scared and upset. 20 years of hard labor sounds fair. Is is about justice.


6 posted on 07/10/2008 1:13:21 PM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: yarddog

I have this image of a cabal with a copy of 1984 and brave new world on their conference room desk trying to figure out how to implement both novels into reality.

A fair amount of the domestic policy news in britain (such as this piece) does not seem to have any rational explanation for existing, has very little support among the british public, but is push anyway. If Power is being used to push this stuff, there is a motive.


7 posted on 07/10/2008 1:14:16 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Many of my fellow Texans have found a very practical alternative to jailing this scum, the high cost of ammo not withstanding.


8 posted on 07/10/2008 1:15:30 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Here in Colorado we get to shoot them. So, go ahead and not jail them and we’ll take care of the problem ourselves.


9 posted on 07/10/2008 1:16:36 PM PDT by CodeToad
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OK, you can't throw him in jail for burglary. But if he steals some of my food but doesn't steal a nice chutney or vindaloo I had in the refrigerator, could I have him thrown in jail for racism? He is showing his insensitivity by discriminating against spicy food.

It also says victims of crime could be allowed a say in the way criminals are punished - but only if they call for leniency rather than harsh sentencing.

Nuttier than squirrel poop.

10 posted on 07/10/2008 1:17:56 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Whale oil: the renewable biofuel for the 21st century.)
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“The views of those who demanded the harshest penalties would be disregarded.” Can’t think of a better illustration of liberalism. Your views count only so long as you agree with them.


11 posted on 07/10/2008 1:18:54 PM PDT by Williams
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To: CodeToad

“Here in Colorado we get to shoot them. So, go ahead and not jail them and we’ll take care of the problem ourselves.”

You can safely bet this scenario is not the underlying motive behind this move in the UK. (ref: Tony Martin)


12 posted on 07/10/2008 1:20:08 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: yarddog

Yet another title that I immediately guessed “UK”.


13 posted on 07/10/2008 1:20:25 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Thank God there is all that water between them and us. It’ll take a little longer before we too succumb to that total idiocy.


14 posted on 07/10/2008 1:21:06 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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“It's a less serious offense”

ROFL. Yeah right,....until it happens to you. I've lived and been burgled in NYC and LA. The sense of fear, anger and violation of privacy and security is extreme.

You won't sleep well for a very long time afterward and will jump at every noise around the house. Try it sometime and get back to me if you think “it's a less serious offense”.

Personally I think it would be perfectly fine if all burglars were killed on the spot. The burglary rate would drop overnight. Nobody would miss the burglars at all.

15 posted on 07/10/2008 1:28:04 PM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam. TWP VRWC)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

There, but for the grace of God, goes the US.

However, in another few years, all bets are off.


16 posted on 07/10/2008 1:31:12 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: MrB

Still makes me wipe the sweat off my brow occasionally.


17 posted on 07/10/2008 1:33:36 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Just tossing out more thoughts on why so much domestic policy in the UK seems oriented on turning the world upside-down, rather than talk about liberals doing stuff for liberal reasons as the explanation for all of this, I am reminded on something orwell wrote in 1984, about the end goals of those in power being more power, plain and simple. The point is that it is not necessary to look for a label to explain an expansion of the State’s power and influence.

So much of this UK news is telling the average, law-abiding subject that they are of no concern and have absolutely no importance or influence on their masters. Up *IS* down, for all practical purposes. Throw in situation criminalization of some possibly not-uncommon conversations by those same law-abiding subjects, huge recorded video surveillance of much of the urban state, potential logging of all car trips taken via those same cameras, and you have a good start on a fairly repressive state.


18 posted on 07/10/2008 1:35:10 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Don’t lock your doors either


19 posted on 07/10/2008 1:36:48 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Vigilantism will arise where the justice system is viewed as overly lenient and/or ineffective.)
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Unpaid work or a curfew would normally be a better way of punishing break-ins and thefts, said a panel that issues guidelines to judges.

And what are their addresses?

20 posted on 07/10/2008 1:37:20 PM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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