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Joe Horn Covered by New Texas Deadly Force Law
DBKP ^ | July 1 2008 | LBG

Posted on 07/01/2008 1:47:10 PM PDT by mondoreb

Albert Einstein once said "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing."

Yesterday DBKP wrote about Joe Horn, the Texas man who was cleared by the Harris County Grand Jury after he shot two illegal "immigrants" when they had broken into a neighbor's home in Pasadena TX in November. Horn's actions, that of a private citizen using deadly force against someone committing a felony, were covered by a new Texas statute, the Castle Law, or Senate Bill 378.

“Don’t go outside the house,” the 911 operator pleaded. “You’re going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun. I don’t care what you think.”

“You want to make a bet?” Horn answered. “I’m going to kill them.”

Horn had called 911 to report that he had witnessed the two men break into his neighbor's home in broad daylight. Horn, whose conversation was taped, ignored the operator's order to remain inside his home. The tape picked up the sounds of Horn "confronting" the two men as they left the house and headed for the street:

“Move,” Horn can be heard saying on the tape. “You’re dead.”

Boom.

Click.

Boom.

Click.

Boom.

The two men died from gunshot wounds in the back while the whole incident was witnessed by a plainclothes detective who had just pulled up to the curb in front of Horn's residence. The detective stated that he had "ducked" under the steering wheel of his car when he saw Horn shoot the men for fear that Horn might mistakenly shoot him as the "wheel man".

(Excerpt) Read more at deathby1000papercuts.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: castlelaw; cleared; grandjury; joehorn
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The Castle Law became law about two months before Horn's confrontation. NOTE: two Freepers got hat tips: Paleo Conservative for his remarks, and Alligator, for the Einstein quote.
1 posted on 07/01/2008 1:47:11 PM PDT by mondoreb
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The dead criminals were in the country illegally to rod and steel from rich Americans.

...they just keep leaving out that part!

2 posted on 07/01/2008 1:50:06 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

DON’T MESS WITH TEXANS!


3 posted on 07/01/2008 1:51:06 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U
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To: mondoreb

So there WAS an eye-witness.

P.S. the character played by Michael Caine in the original “Get Carter” was as much of a bad guy as the guys he was killing.


4 posted on 07/01/2008 1:51:49 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: TexasCajun

Ah, yes, every now and then you run across a real feel good story.


5 posted on 07/01/2008 1:52:37 PM PDT by MarkT
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To: TexasCajun
The dead criminals were in the country illegally

I didn't think the Feds would bother Mr.Horn until I learned to shootees were illegals .

6 posted on 07/01/2008 1:53:59 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: TexasCajun

They don’t seem to address that these two men would be alive today had they not decided to steal property from its rightful owner.

You can bet, from the attitude of the 911 operator, that the “detective” in the street would have let them go.


7 posted on 07/01/2008 1:54:15 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: mondoreb

woo hoo - yea for us


8 posted on 07/01/2008 1:54:26 PM PDT by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: mondoreb

I feel safe to know we can call 911 and the brave officer will promptly show up and duck behind the steering wheel.


9 posted on 07/01/2008 1:54:44 PM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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Hahaha....Brilliant!

This is one story that caused an argument to break out every time we did an update. I was raised in the country: if you saw someone break into your neighbor’s place, grab a gun and go get ‘em!

Others here had different upbringings.

Oh well, that’s what makes the world go round!

Since there’s discussions every time we did a Joe Horn story, I was always afraid the story sounded schizophrenic: one paragraph is pro-Joe, another anti-Joe.

I guess it ended up being balanced that way, though.

All comments here are great!


10 posted on 07/01/2008 1:58:53 PM PDT by mondoreb
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I love a story with a happy ending.
Ricebug


11 posted on 07/01/2008 1:59:24 PM PDT by Ricebug (NKP RTAFB 70/71)
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12 posted on 07/01/2008 2:08:22 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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Contrast this story with this linked thread

Tom Sullivan is discussing this on his nationally syndicated show during this hour. He played the 911 tape in the last hour.

13 posted on 07/01/2008 2:10:21 PM PDT by SierraWasp (No fool like an old fool! Juan McGore, the Republican McMaverick hates the media's challenging!!!)
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To: Ricebug

Don’t be surprised to see our wonderful Justice Dept. get involved, all broken up about the rights of the poor, unfortunate, innocent “undocumented workers”.


14 posted on 07/01/2008 2:14:17 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: mondoreb
America! Where every man was a king, his spouse was a queen, his well educated children were his pride and legacy, his home was his castle and they were as sovereigns on their own land, enjoying the control that ownership had always provided!!!

Alas... it is no more!!!

Now even the fish in one's own pond, or stream are the state's and a license/permit is required to fish in it!!!

This is progress??? This has been the looting of America's hard won tradition!!!

15 posted on 07/01/2008 2:15:26 PM PDT by SierraWasp (No fool like an old fool! Juan McGore, the Republican McMaverick hates the media's challenging!!!)
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A 911 operator miles away on a telephone is not able to properly assess the situation. If more incidents like this occur, we will see a dramatic drop in crime...


16 posted on 07/01/2008 2:15:35 PM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: mondoreb

Notice to all FReepers

Do not assume that Texas law gives residents of your state right to shoot a person fleeing, or a person outside your dwelling even though they may have been inside, or any person at any time, ESPECIALLY, THOSE FLEEING FROM THE RESIDENCE OF ANOTHER.

Check with a lawyer knowledgeable with the laws of your state before you even think about ever employing deadly force.


17 posted on 07/01/2008 2:18:04 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: demshateGod
I feel safe to know we can call 911 and the brave officer will promptly show up and duck behind the steering wheel.

Discretion is sometimes the better part of valor. Had he got out he might have gotten shot.

18 posted on 07/01/2008 2:23:27 PM PDT by lesser_satan (Cthulu '08! Why vote for the lesser evil?)
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It's much worse when you live in a state where the “Holier than thou licensed firearms instructors” are brainwashed into believing they must train you to “run and hide” first, and make sure your firearms are disassembled, locked up, the constituent parts are in different rooms, and the ammo is buried under your neighbors garage...

FMCDH...

19 posted on 07/01/2008 2:25:29 PM PDT by xcamel (Being on the wrong track means the unintended consequences express train doesnt kill you going by)
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To: TexasCajun

The dead criminals were in the country illegally to rod and steel from rich Americans.

Only the ones that Americans don’t want to rob and steal from.


20 posted on 07/01/2008 2:26:27 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (It's too bad I've already promised myself to never vote for McCain.)
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