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The real story behind the gay pride issue at St. Joan
Minneapolis Star Tribune ^ | June 29, 2008 | KATHERINE KERSTEN

Posted on 06/30/2008 3:46:03 AM PDT by Caleb1411

Last week, controversy erupted when Archbishop John Nienstedt informed St. Joan of Arc Catholic Church in Minneapolis that it could not hold a gay pride prayer service in its sanctuary. The service -- held for several years in conjunction with the annual Twin Cities Gay Pride festival -- celebrates the gay identity.

In response, organizers moved the celebration outside the church. One gay activist attended in what must have struck him as a clown's outfit, given the occasion -- the robes of an archbishop, miter and all. David McCaffrey of the Catholic Pastoral Committee on Sexual Minorities (CPCSM) condemned what he called Nienstedt's "reign of homophobic hatred." In an e-mail to the group's members, he characterized the archbishop's decision as "yet another volley of dehumanizing spiritual violence directed at GLBT persons and their families."

Clearly, there is hatred here. But it is not coming from the Catholic Church. Rather, it's a tool of those who are trying to compel the church to conform to their personal demands with caricatures and public mockery.

Opponents charge that the church does not welcome gays. They point to the fact that the archdiocese won't sponsor a gay pride prayer service as evidence.

But the truth is different: The church welcomes everyone. Far from rejecting gays as sinners, Christianity teaches that all human beings are sinners. In fact, it maintains, it is precisely because we are sinners that we need the Christian message.

So Michael Bayly of CPCSM got it wrong when he told the Star Tribune that "the archdiocese is now dictating to people who they can and cannot pray for." The church advocates prayer for all, straight and gay alike, because it regards all as sinners.

But "gay pride" is a different matter.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: antichristian; catholic; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; notchristian; sin; sinfulnature; stjoan
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1 posted on 06/30/2008 3:46:03 AM PDT by Caleb1411
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To: wagglebee; Salvation; rhema; MplsSteve
The controversy at St. Joan of Arc is part of a larger picture. When the gay rights movement emerged several decades ago, its leaders asked only for tolerance -- a live-and-let-live attitude on the part of the larger society. Today, the movement increasingly demands both approval of and conformity to its creed. More and more, it labels all dissent -- even that based on religious conviction -- as "hateful."
2 posted on 06/30/2008 3:48:25 AM PDT by Caleb1411 ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own." G. K. C)
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To: Caleb1411
In an e-mail to the group's members, he characterized the archbishop's decision as "yet another volley of dehumanizing spiritual violence directed at GLBT persons and their families."

Oh, they love melodrama and speechmaking don't they?

3 posted on 06/30/2008 3:50:22 AM PDT by relictele
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To: Caleb1411

Drama queens.


4 posted on 06/30/2008 4:17:47 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: relictele

Their anti-Catholic diatribes are coming from their deep, spiritual anger with the Church (and it comes from their own guilt). They WANT the Church to change its more than 2000 year old teaching about the sin of the homosexual lifestyle......so that they will be approved and no longer feel the guilt. That will never happen. We can only pray for them.


5 posted on 06/30/2008 4:19:20 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

There is quite a bit of hate-filled vitriol spilling over into the comments section. Most of it is aimed at the author, some at the Catholic Church. They’re trying countertransference of blame here—trying to single out past wrongs of the church. It’s a very immature coping mechanism.

These little darlings are spilling forth a hate they wouldn’t have dreamed of even 5-years ago.

The Church need only stand firm against these sinners. Their message and its inspiration is all too plainly clear.


6 posted on 06/30/2008 4:31:19 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: CaspersGh0sts

“Their message and its inspiration is all too plainly clear.”

Exactly!


7 posted on 06/30/2008 4:40:07 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: Caleb1411
Last week, controversy erupted when Archbishop John Nienstedt informed St. Joan of Arc Catholic Church in Minneapolis that it could not hold a gay pride prayer service in its sanctuary. The service -- held for several years in conjunction with the annual Twin Cities Gay Pride festival -- celebrates the gay identity.

Does this mean they have actually held this sham in their sanctuary before? And they say that the Archbishop informing the church that they cannot hold the gay pride prayer service "controversial". The controversy should have occured when they first held such a service in the church.

8 posted on 06/30/2008 4:43:26 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: CaspersGh0sts; Caleb1411
There is quite a bit of hate-filled vitriol spilling over into the comments section. Most of it is aimed at the author, some at the Catholic Church. They’re trying countertransference of blame here—trying to single out past wrongs of the church. It’s a very immature coping mechanism.

Virtually everything Kersten writes in the Minneapolis Star Tribune causes consternation among people who'd like to be a moral law unto themselves. Gays aren't the only ones who go into high dudgeon at her writings. Everyone who's abridged the Bible into two words -- "Judge not" -- takes offense at Kersten's columns.

9 posted on 06/30/2008 4:57:46 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Caleb1411
The service celebrates the gay identity.

Celebrating Sodom and Gomorrah. I can't imagine why the Archbishop objected!

10 posted on 06/30/2008 5:01:22 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Caleb1411
characterized the archbishop's decision as "yet another volley of dehumanizing spiritual violence directed at GLBT persons and their families."

Does anyone feel like they have woken up in some kind of Stalinist nightmare? If Obama is elected we will see show trials for "homophobes"?

11 posted on 06/30/2008 5:02:50 AM PDT by montag813
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To: relictele

“the archbishop’s decision as “yet another volley of dehumanizing spiritual violence directed at GLBT persons and their families.””

except for the source of the violence he’s correct in his observation.


12 posted on 06/30/2008 5:09:55 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: montag813

The fact that they shy away from identifying themselves as homosexual, having adopted the word “gay” tells me that they know “homosexual” acts are wrong.


13 posted on 06/30/2008 5:15:08 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: Caleb1411; All

OK maybe someone here can clear this up for me:

“a gay pride prayer service”

WHO WOULD THEY BE PRAYING TO, EXACTLY?


14 posted on 06/30/2008 5:21:21 AM PDT by TheRobb7 (Mutiny at the Convention: The Last, Best Hope for Conservatives in '08)
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To: Caleb1411

What have the mentally ill got to be “proud” about? They should be getting help!


15 posted on 06/30/2008 5:51:52 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: maica
The fact that they shy away from identifying themselves as homosexual, having adopted the word “gay” tells me that they know “homosexual” acts are wrong.

An excellent observation. A tip o' my hat to you.

17 posted on 06/30/2008 6:38:03 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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18 posted on 06/30/2008 6:39:51 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: Caleb1411
Pride goeth before destruction...
-- Proverbs 16:18

19 posted on 06/30/2008 6:45:35 AM PDT by XR7
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To: Caleb1411
That's different. Usually they get their little thrill from dressing up as nuns.

the robes of an archbishop, miter and all.

20 posted on 06/30/2008 7:22:12 AM PDT by DManA
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