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Morality -- Trotskyite vs. Christian [It's Pat]
Townhall ^ | June 24, 2008 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 06/24/2008 3:08:57 PM PDT by Alouette

Did Hitler's crimes justify the Allies' terror-bombing of Germany?

Indeed they did, answers Christopher Hitchens in his Newsweek response to my new book, "Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War": "The stark evidence of the Final Solution has ever since been enough to dispel most doubts about, say, the wisdom or morality of carpet-bombing German cities."

Atheist, Trotskyite and newborn neocon, Hitchens embraces the morality of lex talionis: an eye for an eye. If Germans murdered women and children, the British were morally justified in killing German women and children.

According to British historians, however, Churchill ordered the initial bombing of German cities on his first day in office, the very first day of the Battle of France, on May 10, 1940.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antichristian; atheistsupremacist; bigot; buchanan; churchill; dresden; duelingbigots; franzliebkind; lunatic; mullahpat; patbuchanan
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Pat hits bottom, digs.
1 posted on 06/24/2008 3:08:58 PM PDT by Alouette
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2 posted on 06/24/2008 3:09:26 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Alouette

How come Pat does not mention the Nazi bombing of Rotterdam and Warsaw?


3 posted on 06/24/2008 3:10:23 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: Alouette

PAt confuses debating with ingorant leftists and looking at history. Pat is revising history and assuming that we are all ignorant, again. And he is ascerbic to grow up and deal with an argument as anything but a personal attack.


4 posted on 06/24/2008 3:12:01 PM PDT by rmlew (Down with the ersatz immanentization of the eschaton known as Globalism.)
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To: All

I voted for this idiot in 92... Big mistake..


5 posted on 06/24/2008 3:16:14 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Who is Obama's Puppet Master???)
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To: Alouette
Pat hits bottom, digs.

Pat's whole campaign for a revisionist rejection of our fighting WWII is just bizarre. Our bombing wasn't justified in light of Coventry, the East End, Warsaw, Rotterdam, etc.? Nonsense.

That said, the bombing effort produced checkered results, at best. The Brits couldn't hit much of anything of strategic value, bombing at night. U.S. losses from daylight bombing outweighed what value we got, at least until losses declined after we got fighter cover all the way to and from the target.

Research after the war showed rather than demoralize civilians, bombing tended to reinforce their resolve.

6 posted on 06/24/2008 3:18:19 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: Alouette; wideawake

Why did Pat call his article “Trotskyite vs. Christian” when he’s talking about Churchill’s England, Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia? Is it because he’d rather have a Jewish name representing Communism?


7 posted on 06/24/2008 3:19:14 PM PDT by Borges
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To: rmlew; All

Pat and his fellow paleos is stuck in a time warp.. Mainly in the 30’s and the 50’s.. They need to stop living in the past and live in the present..


8 posted on 06/24/2008 3:23:25 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Who is Obama's Puppet Master???)
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To: Alouette

Waiting for the sniveling PATrons to emerge from their sewers to defend him.....4....3....2....1....


9 posted on 06/24/2008 3:24:42 PM PDT by TrueKnightGalahad (When you're racing...it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.)
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To: Alouette

Not defending Buchanan, but Hitchens did leave himself open to a hell of a lot of criticism. Defeating Nazism and ending the Holocaust justified the Allied tactics in toto, beyond what would be the norm in ‘mundane warfare.’ But Hitch makes it sound as IF the raids were justified as punishment—not as a strategic objective.


10 posted on 06/24/2008 3:25:19 PM PDT by Natchez Hawk (This is Sammy Israel III filling in for DB Cooper who will be returning next week,)
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To: Alouette

War is all about success and if a tactic succeeds then it is justified. It’s all about survival and defeating the enemy. When the existence of your country and your people are on the line you don’t play by Marquis of Queensbury rules.


11 posted on 06/24/2008 3:25:51 PM PDT by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: Alouette
After the war, a lone Senate voice arose to decry what was taking
place at Nuremberg as "victor's justice."


You just can't make some people happy.
It was a pretty herculean effort by the US and Brits to convince
the Soviets to have a trial and to document of the Nazis' offenses.
The Soviets just wanted to have the Nazis hung/shot.
12 posted on 06/24/2008 3:27:35 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Alouette
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13 posted on 06/24/2008 3:28:13 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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To: C19fan
Or ....
14 posted on 06/24/2008 3:30:46 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Alouette

“The Legend of Dresden”
a scholarly and balanced account in Air Force Magazine;
a decent antidote to some of the revisionism
http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2004/1004dresden.asp


15 posted on 06/24/2008 3:36:17 PM PDT by VOA
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To: KevinDavis
I voted for this idiot in 92... Big mistake..

Me to....sigh

16 posted on 06/24/2008 3:36:55 PM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: BenLurkin

Surely Mr. Buchanan knows that painting was inspired by a simple
“warm-up” by The Luftwaffe before “the big game”.


17 posted on 06/24/2008 3:37:53 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Alouette
I heard, decades ago that the initial British bombing of German cities was to divert the Luftwaffe from targeting the RADAR sites on the British coast ad hit other British targets instead. Cynical but logical. If you know where the planes are you can attack them effectively with a limited force. As far as so called terror bombings of German cities were concerned. It was strategically justified to kill people who could man German factories which perpetuated the German war machine. It seems, no matter what the allies did, the krauts could rebuild factories at an amazing pace. But you can't re animate dead workers. Morality has absolutely nothing to do with it.
19 posted on 06/24/2008 3:38:18 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: colorado tanker

“Our bombing wasn’t justified in light of Coventry, the East End, Warsaw, Rotterdam, etc.? Nonsense.”

As I recall, in WWI the belligerents gassed each other without too much moral outrage, but zepplins bombing cities was a great atrocity. In WWII the morality pretty much flipped 180 degrees.

OUR trouble here is that we’re giving Pat Buchanan WAY too much credibility by even listening to what he has to say.


20 posted on 06/24/2008 3:38:56 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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