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Looking at Fluorescent Bulbs in Different Light
Fox News ^ | Tuesday , June 03, 2008 | John R. Lott, Jr.

Posted on 06/11/2008 7:02:10 PM PDT by JohnRLott

No matter how well-meaning, politicians frequently fail to understand all the consequences of their laws. Real world costs, the costs and benefits faced by those who will actually have to live with the regulations, often elude those who pass these rules. Yet, even by those depressing standards, problems with the mandated that people will soon be forced to use stand out.

The advantages of compact fluorescent light bulbs are obvious. While the fluorescent bulbs can cost 10times more than incandescent ones, fluorescent bulbs use 75percent less electricity and last up to 10times longer.

But longer life and energy savings come with a caveat — the fluorescent bulbs must be used for at least 15minutes once they are turned on and ideally for at least several hours at a time. Turning them off quickly after you have turned them on dramatically reduces their life expectancy. Not being able to use light bulbs simply when it is convenient is a cost the consumers will bear even if politicians didn’t factor it into their estimates of savings.

But those are just a tiny fraction of the other real world costs. As many now know, the compact fluorescent light bulbs contain mercury. The hazards are not trivial. One study found that “immediately after the bulb was broken - and sometimes even after a cleanup was attempted - levels of mercury vapor exceeded federal guidelines for chronic exposure by as much as 100 times.”

The EPA has come up with detailed advice on how to deal with how to put bulbs into sockets, cleanup spills, dispose of bulbs, and even safely transport them. For example, drop cloths should be placed on the floor under sockets in case bulbs are dropped, to cushion the fall. But if that fails, the cleanup process becomes incredibly involved. (Continued)

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: boondoggle; cfl; energy; fluorescentbulbs; globalwarming; johnlott; lightbulbnazis; nannystate; toxicwaste
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1 posted on 06/11/2008 7:03:04 PM PDT by JohnRLott
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To: JohnRLott

Silly conservatives don’t realize all the “green” jobs this will generate to swell the economy. Thar’s gold in them there florescent bulb cleanups.

Or has some killjoy conservative economist already called this the “broken windows phenomenon”?


2 posted on 06/11/2008 7:06:51 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: JohnRLott
But longer life and energy savings come with a caveat — the fluorescent bulbs must be used for at least 15minutes once they are turned on and ideally for at least several hours at a time. Turning them off quickly after you have turned them on dramatically reduces their life expectancy.

How about if Algore invents a hybrid bulb... incandescent for short usage and fluorescent for longer usage.

3 posted on 06/11/2008 7:07:09 PM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: Mannaggia l'America

LED lights will solve these problems.


4 posted on 06/11/2008 7:08:51 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: JohnRLott

Mercury from fluorescents?

No thanks, I take mine from fish.


5 posted on 06/11/2008 7:08:59 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (OVERPRODUCTION......... one of the top five worries for American farmers.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Aren’t we already vaccinated against mercury as infants? sarc/

I keep hearing our vaccination shots use it as a preservative. So we are preserved, right?


6 posted on 06/11/2008 7:14:45 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (McCain or Obama-Either way we're screwed.)
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To: JohnRLott

I’ve used them for years, and they save us a ton of money. But I certainly agree that it’s not a matter for the government to mandate. And there are a few places where I don’t want to use them, because, as you point out, they are pointless in fixtures where you only use the lights occasionally, for a short time. And they are slow to come up to full brightness out in the cold.

For reasons I don’t entirely understand our local hardware store has been selling the best compact flourescent bulbs, made by GE, for a dollar apiece all year. I have stocked up on them, because that’s a pretty good deal.


7 posted on 06/11/2008 7:16:54 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: AmericaUnited
"LED lights will solve these problems."

http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=16210

Only $8.95 at an online retailer near you...

8 posted on 06/11/2008 7:18:29 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: JohnRLott

This bit about the danger of the mercury in the bulb is ABSOLUTELY STUPID. I ask you, “How many light bulbs have you broken in your life time”? This is the same type of stupidity as having rats consume a ton of something and then saying the product causes cancer, even though the rats died because of obesity.

The other arguments are valid. We have changed half of the bulbs in our house, especially in those areas where we do not need the intense light such as in hallways, outside, etc. They do take a long period to get to full power and they do have the flickering common to the type of illumination. But these are areas we do not frequent. So it is all right.

But having to put drop clothes under a light socket to change the bulb? This is only a sympton of the problems we are facing in our society. Next we will have to have a HAZMAT team next to us while putting gasoline into our car (if we can afford it). Or having an expert on nutrition checking we are grilling our ribs properly to prevent some massive invasion of bacteria into our bodies.

Come on people. Get real and start telling these SOCIALIST beauracrats(sp?) to get lost. Let them go someplace where they can legislate themselves into the never-never land of OZ.


9 posted on 06/11/2008 7:20:23 PM PDT by ProudFossil
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I’m worried, too, about opportunity costs. Did Congress pin its hopes on a technology not ready for prime time and by pushing a choice without market support, impede development of a better solution? With LED technology rapidly advancing, did Congress in their quest to “do something” give us a short-term solution with long-term consequences? Perhaps in 20 years when municipalities are bankrupted by landfill cleanup operations, people will wish “oh, if only Congress waited just a little while longer.”


10 posted on 06/11/2008 7:20:30 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (I tried to explain that I meant it as a compliment, but that only appears to have made things worse.)
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This is all very strange. To be such a health hazard, you’d think the warnings would be prominently placed on the product itself.

In a room where the lights are on 12 or more hours most days, the regular bulbs would blow about every six weeks. So, I decided to try to fluorescents just to cut down on the frequent changing. It’s a three bulb, overhead fixture. Since November, I’ve used three 13 watt, or 60 watt equivalent fluorescents. They’re still going after more than seven months. The light’s not quite as good, but I do like not having to change them so often. If I had a different shaped fixture, I could use the 100 watt equivalents, but they’re too large to fit in this particular fixture.

But, there is not one word of instructions to handle all these hazards on the packaging, and I have bulbs from two different manufacturers. All there is a little box that says:

LAMP CONTAINS MERCURY
Manage in Accordance with Disposal Laws
See: www.lamprecycle.org or call 1-800-435-4448

So, I’m sure every buyer of these bulbs is going to that website and reading it thoroughly:

http://lamprecycle.org/

Whatever the real hazards and whatever the best disposal methods, I doubt 1% of users are following the guidelines, if they happen to seek them out.


11 posted on 06/11/2008 7:24:47 PM PDT by Will88
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To: NonValueAdded
Did Congress pin its hopes on a technology not ready for prime time and by pushing a choice without market support, impede development of a better solution?

I have been thinking the same thing. Great point.
12 posted on 06/11/2008 7:25:45 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Will88
Whatever the real hazards and whatever the best disposal methods, I doubt 1% of users are following the guidelines, if they happen to seek them out.

That is why I use my neighbors trashcan. ;-)
13 posted on 06/11/2008 7:27:55 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: ProudFossil

I decided to use them in the summer and during any hot weather times because by saving 75% on the electric bill I can run my air conditioner more!!! They are also, frankly, cooler than incandescents.

BUT, I keep the incandescents for fall and winter and thru spring if cold enough because they put out WARM light and WARMTH! That helps the heating bill.

I don’t give a hoot about the “environment” I just care about the electric bill and my comfort.


14 posted on 06/11/2008 7:28:58 PM PDT by marychesnutfan
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To: ProudFossil
But having to put drop clothes under a light socket to change the bulb? This is only a sympton of the problems we are facing in our society. Next we will have to have a HAZMAT team next to us while putting gasoline into our car (if we can afford it).

I wear a condom while changing the light bulb.

No reason...

15 posted on 06/11/2008 7:29:05 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: PA Engineer

thankyouverymuch /elvis


16 posted on 06/11/2008 7:32:30 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (I tried to explain that I meant it as a compliment, but that only appears to have made things worse.)
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To: AmericaUnited
LED lights will solve these problems.

Nope, candles. At least, for as long as we don't have to depend on foreign tallow.

And turn that thermostat down, bub.

17 posted on 06/11/2008 7:34:03 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Man, that's stupid ... even by congressional standards.)
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To: PA Engineer

Another example would be a rational Congress person.


18 posted on 06/11/2008 7:34:44 PM PDT by ProudFossil
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To: Grizzled Bear

Maybe it feels good? Mine do especially with the Viagra.


19 posted on 06/11/2008 7:35:59 PM PDT by ProudFossil
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To: Ron in Acreage

not preserved just poisoned.


20 posted on 06/11/2008 7:36:34 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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