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Fat pensions spell doom for many cities
Money Magazine ^ | 3 June 2008 | By Janice Revell, Money Magazine senior writer

Posted on 06/06/2008 1:16:34 PM PDT by shrinkermd

Vallejo, Calif., took the extreme step of filing for bankruptcy to get out of generous obligations to public employees. Other cities and states are watching

The jig is up. For years, politicians have been playing what amounts to a multi-trillion-dollar shell game with state and local pensions. They've doled out lush retiree benefits to their heavily unionized workforces, knowing that they could shove the cost for those benefits onto future generations of taxpayers.

But a recent financial bombshell dropped by a San Francisco suburb shows why that shell game is now starting to unravel in a nasty way. And it's a cautionary tale that you can't afford to ignore.

...But the real nail in Vallejo's coffin was the city's labor costs. Under the current labor agreement, the average police officer walking the beat in Vallejo will be paid $122,000 this year before overtime, according to city documents. An average sergeant will make $151,000; a captain, $231,000. The average firefighter, meanwhile, will bring in $130,000 before overtime.

...So a Vallejo police sergeant making $150,000 a year can now retire at age 50 and receive an annual pension of $135,000, increased each year for inflation. To put that amount in context, you would need to amass a retirement nest egg equal to about $3.5 million to produce a similar retirement income on your own.

...But that no longer seems to hold true. According to the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics, the hourly salary (before benefits) of public-sector professionals (including teachers and lawyers) was $31.51 in December 2007, virtually identical to the $31.75 for private-sector professionals. Public-sector service employees (including many blue-collar jobs) averaged $16.72 an hour in salary, compared to $9.87 for private-sector employees.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: bankrupt; bankruptcy; biggovernment; govwatch; pensions; publicemployees; socialism; spending; unionthugs; vallejo
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Liberals have created a well paid overclass of public employees. Little has been done to really control costs and, now, there is a problem--there is no way to actually pay for the many promises made.

Notwithstanding this failure, count on the overwhelming majority of public employees to vote RAT.

1 posted on 06/06/2008 1:16:34 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

Pensions are ridiculous, top-heavy payments that must collapse of their own weight.


2 posted on 06/06/2008 1:21:31 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: shrinkermd
Is it OK to use the word jig? I was looking around the shop one day for a jig-saw and someone got upset with me for calling it a jig-saw.
3 posted on 06/06/2008 1:22:14 PM PDT by mikeandike
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To: shrinkermd

My teacher wife’s pension is considerably larger than my pension(s) at twice her salary.


4 posted on 06/06/2008 1:24:37 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (DemocRATS....the party of Slavery, Segregation, Secularism, and Sedition)
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To: shrinkermd

Sounds like cities should raise taxes to “invest” in their employees’ future. Watch your wallets on this one. This is the mother of all underfundings. Liberal mayors and councilmen paying their liberal friends for public sector job programs. Did you know your city work force was a job program? In Atlanta, they “couldn’t bear to lay off workers because those people NEEDED their jobs”. I guess taxpayers don’t NEED their money.


5 posted on 06/06/2008 1:27:08 PM PDT by groanup (Most of my cliche's aren't original.)
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To: mikeandike
Don't say noose either...that's a racist word.
6 posted on 06/06/2008 1:27:28 PM PDT by blam
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To: shrinkermd

Pensioners getting screwed is just a taste of when Social Security and Welfare checks become unredeemable.

Holy hell will break loose on that day.


7 posted on 06/06/2008 1:27:42 PM PDT by Rebelbase (McCain: The Third Bush Term ?)
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To: shrinkermd

Cut salaries, end pensions — and introduce the real world to our “civil servants”...

Let them save their own money in a 401k or IRA as the government and private industry has told the “rest” of us to do......

While we’re at it — END “Civil Service” Unions.....


8 posted on 06/06/2008 1:27:49 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: shrinkermd

there is no way to actually pay for the many promises made.

That IS the liberal dimwitted way of doing things then why not TAX the $hit out of the middle class to pay for them. Liberals are too stupid for this life.


9 posted on 06/06/2008 1:29:19 PM PDT by Bitsy
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To: shrinkermd

bump


10 posted on 06/06/2008 1:30:20 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Rebelbase
Pensioners getting screwed is just a taste of when Social Security and Welfare checks become unredeemable.

Medicare is going to fail first. Future benefits will consist entirely of a coupon for $1.00 off a bottle of chewable Vitamin C tablets and a booklet from the Surgeon General entitled "Ten Tips for the Positive-Minded Octogenarian". ;)

11 posted on 06/06/2008 1:31:11 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: Ann Archy
Pensions are ridiculous, top-heavy payments that must collapse of their own weight.

But, not before they bring down taxpayers with ruinous tax increases necessary to support the gold plated pension plans, which are relics of the 1950s when people did not live 20 or 30 years, or more, on a pension, after having worked as little as 20 or 25.

12 posted on 06/06/2008 1:31:41 PM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: shrinkermd

Vallejo, Calif., took the extreme step of filing for bankruptcy to get out of generous obligations to public employees. Other cities and states are watching

The jig is up. For years, politicians have been playing what amounts to a multi-trillion-dollar shell game with state and local pensions. They’ve doled out lush retiree benefits to their heavily unionized workforces, knowing that they could shove the cost for those benefits onto future generations of taxpayers.

CAN ANYBODY SAY SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE ??
PROBALLY THE LARGEST “LEGAL” SHELL GAME PLAYED ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.


13 posted on 06/06/2008 1:31:49 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Patriot Guard Riders - Standing for those that stood for us.)
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“...So a Vallejo police sergeant making $150,000 a year can now retire at age 50 and receive an annual pension of $135,000, increased each year for inflation. To put that amount in context, you would need to amass a retirement nest egg equal to about $3.5 million to produce a similar retirement income on your own.”


I think they overstated a little here. $3.5 million produces $175,000 per year forever at only a 5% rate of return. The authors are assuming only a 3.86% rate of return, plus inflation. I would expect 5% plus inflation would be easily doable.


14 posted on 06/06/2008 1:32:37 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: river rat
“Let them save their own money in a 401k or IRA as the government and private industry has told the “rest” of us to do......”

That is pretty much the reform that Reagan pushed through when the Congress mandated the FERS civil service retirement program in the mid-1980’s. As a result, a great many Civil servant have a very hefty nest egg that supplies over half of their retirement income. Socialist Insecurity and the small pension split the rest.
15 posted on 06/06/2008 1:37:11 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The coupon rate of the 10 year treasury is now 3.875%. This is often used as the bench mark for a conservative return.


16 posted on 06/06/2008 1:37:32 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

This makes Social Security and Medicare look like piggy bank problems.


17 posted on 06/06/2008 1:37:49 PM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Rebelbase
Can the Second Amendment and Social Security Coexist?
18 posted on 06/06/2008 1:39:41 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: mikeandike

The jig is up for you!


19 posted on 06/06/2008 1:46:21 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (We are going to get McCain or Obama, no ifs ands or buts. I know who I'll vote for.)
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To: river rat
The chasm between the ruling class of public employees vs. the taxpayer worker bees could be closed with a sane plan such as this one.

Once the public employee unions have to live under the same economic rules as everyone else, we might actually see an America with shared interests again rather than a balkanized collection of quarreling interest groups.

20 posted on 06/06/2008 1:49:12 PM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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