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Where Illegal Guns Can Do No More Harm
NY Times ^ | June 3, 2008 | AL BAKER

Posted on 06/02/2008 8:37:59 PM PDT by neverdem

In New York City, where taking illegal handguns off the streets is high on the mayor’s agenda, thousands of firearms make it into the hands of law enforcement officers each year.

Once they’ve been seized in crimes, whether after long and ignominious careers or short but violent ones, and once their owners have been prosecuted, the guns must be destroyed, never to be used again.

The New York field office of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives periodically takes the guns it gathers to an industrial stretch of road in Westchester County, about 20 miles north of Manhattan, to a scrap metal processing plant in Elmsford, N.Y. There they are chopped up into tiny pieces and sold for about 25 cents a pound.

In the words of federal agents, it is where guns go to die.

Their steel remains are shipped to foundries as near as New Jersey or as far as China, India or Turkey, said Daniel J. Graap, 39, the co-owner of the plant, Brookfield Metal Company. The...

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Some departments sell or auction guns and use the revenue to buy new guns for officers, a practice that has raised questions about whether the weapons would simply wind up back in the hands of criminals. The bureau sometimes gives guns that were used in crimes to other federal agencies, like the Navy or the Fish and Wildlife Service, said Special Agent Joseph G. Green, a spokesman for the bureau’s New York office.

Reselling such a gun on the open market risks obscuring its history, he said.

“It is smart policing to destroy the weapons,” Mr. Green said. “Even if they are put back into circulation, they can never be traced to a second purchaser, they can only be traced back to the original retail purchaser.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batfe; bootthebatfe; nypd

James Estrin/The New York Times
At Brookfield Metal Company in Elmsford, N.Y., Pablo Zurita breaks up a knockoff Uzi. The scrap metal sells for 25 cents a pound.

James Estrin/The New York Times
Federal agents Joseph G. Green, left, and Howard R. Stern take guns to a processing plant.
1 posted on 06/02/2008 8:37:59 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Their steel remains are shipped to foundries as near as New Jersey or as far as China, India or Turkey, said Daniel J. Graap,

What a HUGE carbon footprint the anti=gun crowd is causing,


2 posted on 06/02/2008 8:43:49 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: neverdem

That’ll show those evil inanimate objects!


3 posted on 06/02/2008 8:43:57 PM PDT by Huntress (Barack Obama--Jimmy Carter with charisma.)
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To: neverdem

How about getting murderous thugs and two bit muggers and rapists off the streets?

The guns don’t kill people, the crminals do.

Same with there being no reason to “get off” oil just because Islamic supremacists hellbent on world domination have it. End the Islamic imperialism. Freedom of religion for all. The oil isn’t evil, just the people who are profiting from it are.


4 posted on 06/02/2008 8:44:04 PM PDT by weegee (Obama 2008 motto; Get on the bus, or prepare to be thrown under it.)
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To: neverdem
Their steel remains are shipped to foundries as near as New Jersey or as far as China..., said Daniel J. Graap, 39, the co-owner of the plant, Brookfield Metal Company.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Sell the scrap metal from these guns to our Communist enemies so they can be re-cycled into more lethal weapons to use against us and our allies.

God forbid these guns would be sold to law-abiding AMERICAN citizens.

5 posted on 06/02/2008 8:44:47 PM PDT by DocH (hillary, hussein, and juan - what kind of choice is THAT? God help us.)
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To: neverdem
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6 posted on 06/02/2008 8:48:22 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Travis McGee; Joe Brower; El Gato; Squantos

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7 posted on 06/02/2008 9:19:24 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem

Can they start a similar program for illegal aliens?


8 posted on 06/02/2008 10:56:53 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last." Churchill)
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To: neverdem

Do the guns have bad JuJu or something? Evil spirits? There are times when our government resembles a cargo cult more than anything else.


9 posted on 06/03/2008 1:19:34 AM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment: It's not about sporting goods.)
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To: Redcloak

Our govt fails to lead by example.
Our govt should unilaterally divest itself of all govt guns.
No guns for cops.
No guns for soldiers.
We need to show the world they have nothing to fear from us.
Criminals will respect gunless cops for their principles.
China/Russia/Iran etc will respect the USA for voluntarily disarming its armies.

And if this idea works well, then we could try it with privately owned guns...after say a 20 yr study period of gunless cops/military.


10 posted on 06/03/2008 2:01:50 AM PDT by OldArmy52 (Vote Dem: vote the Clinton/Obama/McCain ticket)
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To: neverdem

So the same nitwits who claim that legal ownership is wrong because illegal guns are often stolen from legal owners now support a plan that refuses to return stolen merchandise to its rightful owner.


11 posted on 06/03/2008 2:43:03 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: neverdem

Wonder how many Colts, Sigs, and H&Ks get “lost” in the shuffle on their way to the shredder...


12 posted on 06/03/2008 3:13:41 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Golly, I am just so proud to be protected by such heroes.

If one needed any proof that the brainwashed, pathetic sheep called "journalists" really do consider guns to be like living things with a will of their own, you wouldn't have to go any further than this tripe.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

13 posted on 06/03/2008 5:06:44 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: neverdem
In New York City, where taking illegal handguns off the streets is high on the mayor’s agenda, thousands of firearms make it into the hands of law enforcement officers each year.

Not content with worrying about firearms falling into the hands of criminals, now they are worried about firearms falling into the hands of law enforcement.

14 posted on 06/03/2008 5:11:16 AM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: neverdem

All cheap crap guns. The good ones go to some JBT’s private collection.


15 posted on 06/03/2008 6:39:59 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Code Pink should guard against creating stereotypes in the Mincing Community." --Titan Magroyne)
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To: Joe Brower

Be Ever Vigilant my friend ~ we’re in for some times ahead!!


16 posted on 06/03/2008 1:50:10 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: neverdem; Tijeras_Slim

BATF used to bring weapons too our EOD teams to destroy as we had a Tuesday and Thursday 3000 pound demolition shot to destroy classified materials and munitions for Uncle Sugar and the DEA’s Dope, and national labs classified parts etc .......We told em due the nature of our process we would only destroy the serialized frames vs the entire weapons that were just too much frag too pick up on a surface clearance later. Lots of parts etc ....barrels, springs , grips, trigger groups stocks etc ......never made it on those shots !


17 posted on 06/03/2008 4:26:50 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: neverdem

btt


18 posted on 06/03/2008 4:35:23 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Joe Brower
My, my, my. What about all of those evil vehicles that kill thousands of people every year?

Can't we send them to a place where they can do no more harm as well? /absurdity

19 posted on 06/03/2008 7:29:18 PM PDT by philman_36
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