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McCain Wrong to Spurn Rev. Hagee
newsmax.com ^ | June 2, 2008 | Edward I. Koch

Posted on 06/02/2008 12:57:45 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Sen. John McCain was wrong to reject the endorsement of Texas evangelist Rev. John Hagee.

Several years ago the Rev. Hagee delivered a sermon that was caught on tape in which he preached, "Then God sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun, and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said, 'My top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel."

Anyone hearing the tape would conclude that Hagee is hostile to the Jews, but nothing could be further from the truth. He and his congregants are among Israel's strongest supporters. For religious reasons, they want Israel to rule supreme over all of the lands that made up the ancient Jewish kingdoms of Israel and Judea.

Evangelicals believe that the Messiah — Jesus Christ — cannot return to the earth until the Jews return to the land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), they having been expelled by the Romans in 70 AD after the Second Temple, the one built by Herod, was destroyed.

Christian fundamentalists believe that every word of the Old and New Testaments represents the will of God. Other Christians believe that the words were inspired by God, but written by humans, and therefore are fallible.

Still others believe that the Bible, while sacred, is comprised of ancient myths and allegories and is intended to teach.

Hagee, being a fundamentalist, believes that each word is the word of God, and that everything that occurs on Earth happens as a result of God's direction. Events caused by people like Hitler, for some fundamentalists, are explained as a punishment visited by God on Jews who had fallen away from the faith...

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TOPICS: Editorial; Israel; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: edkoch; hagee; mccain; proisrael
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1 posted on 06/02/2008 12:57:46 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I, for one, like the Reverend.


2 posted on 06/02/2008 12:59:11 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Free ThinkerNY
How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said, 'My top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel."

Psychotic.

3 posted on 06/02/2008 12:59:35 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Free ThinkerNY

A Nazi in a field leans forward slightly as he aims a Mauser into the back of a woman’s head standing about 10 feet away. Her terrified little child runs into her arms a split second before the bullet is fired. The most chilling photo I have ever seen. Hagee says that this was God’s plan. Interesting.


4 posted on 06/02/2008 1:01:24 PM PDT by Mr. Pumblechook
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To: TexasCajun

Me too. Although, “If I knew God I’d be Him”.


5 posted on 06/02/2008 1:02:43 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"Evangelicals believe that the Messiah — Jesus Christ — cannot return to the earth until the Jews return to the land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), they having been expelled by the Romans in 70 AD after the Second Temple, the one built by Herod, was destroyed."

That's painting with a broad brush. Only some Evangelicals believe this and not necessarily the majority. Primarily the dispensationalists. This whole article makes other similar incorrect overbroad assertions.

6 posted on 06/02/2008 1:03:45 PM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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To: TexasCajun

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son.


7 posted on 06/02/2008 1:05:28 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: joebuck

The Problem of Evil is a vexing one.

However, as a Christian, I believe that God uses unspeakable evil to create ETERNAL good. We are taught that life is not a dot, it is a line that stretches into infinity. Whatever bad happens in the “dot” is outweighed by the perfection of the future events awaiting His children. That’s how I can somewhat grasp what happens on this earth and how it relates to God’s character and will. I don’t know if I agree completely with Hagee but I know he is NOT an anti-Semite, for certain.


8 posted on 06/02/2008 1:08:33 PM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Hagee, being a fundamentalist, believes .....that everything that occurs on Earth happens as a result of God's direction.

This is called the doctrine of Providence and it's only 4000 years old, going back to Noah. While I don't agree with the way Hagee uses the doctrine it's not like he pulled it out of thin air. I'm also not sure how the author classifys Hagee as a fundamentalist. I've yet to meet a fundamentalist who believes in dual covenant theology.

9 posted on 06/02/2008 1:10:01 PM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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McCain is old enough to know better.

Isn't this tv preacher one who wants Israel to be in place, for some end times shenanigans?

10 posted on 06/02/2008 1:16:52 PM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Evangelicals believe that the Messiah — Jesus Christ — cannot return to the earth until the Jews return to the land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), they having been expelled by the Romans in 70 AD after the Second Temple, the one built by Herod, was destroyed.

Not this evangelical.

11 posted on 06/02/2008 1:21:37 PM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
McCain is his own worst enemy, and his Mother Theresa act is going to cost him the White House.

If you try to go down the middle of the road, you will get hit from BOTH directions.
12 posted on 06/02/2008 1:47:46 PM PDT by FrankR (OBAMA is the VAST WRIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY...)
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To: TexasCajun; Free ThinkerNY; Mr. Pumblechook; js1138

It is tragic to realize that so many people have not yet seen the Light.

Turn off the TV for one entire day. Write an essay on what life means to you, and what, in your heart of hearts, you want it to be.

Whether you know it or not, there have been numerous miracles in your life.

Listen carefully to that still small Voice which Satan constantly dreams up ways to muffle.

If you can hear that Voice, you may be surprised to find that you are so completely loved by our wondrous Triune God!

And you will be thrilled to learn that He has unbelievably wonderful plans for you, if you will turn from sinful ways and invite Him into your hearts.


13 posted on 06/02/2008 1:48:55 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
John Mccain will not accept endorsements from anyone who is "extreme."

All of a sudden he is middle of the road , 'Mr. In Between"

Thats why Mccain is having trouble finding a message! LOL.

Maybe his running mate will have one.

14 posted on 06/02/2008 1:54:15 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing.)
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To: TexasCajun

“I, for one, like the Reverend.” ~ TexasCajan

Why - because he has a nice personality? :)

http://pjmiller.wordpress.com/2007/10/18/jesus-did-not-come-to-be-the-messiah/


15 posted on 06/02/2008 1:56:01 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Driving an Operation Chaos Hybrid that burns both gas AND rubber.)
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To: joebuck

Exactly.


16 posted on 06/02/2008 1:59:14 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Driving an Operation Chaos Hybrid that burns both gas AND rubber.)
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To: Paperdoll
And you will be thrilled to learn that He has unbelievably wonderful plans for you, if you will turn from sinful ways and invite Him into your hearts.

You think that wonderful plan includes killing six million Jews to prod the survivors into moving to the middle east?

Psychotic.

17 posted on 06/02/2008 2:00:42 PM PDT by js1138
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To: joebuck

I have wondered why an omnipotent, omniscient God could allow such suffering and evil to exist or even thrive, but there is no way I could ever comprehend God and God’s plan. If I truly believe that God is omnipotent and omniscient, then I believe that there is nothing that happens that God doesn’t know about nor allow, whatever God’s purpose or plan might be. Free will means choices, actions and consequences. Christianity promises forgiveness.


18 posted on 06/02/2008 2:04:08 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Mr. Pumblechook
Either you believe in a sovereign God or you don't. If you believe in a sovereign God, you must account for evil in the world in light of God's sovereignty. It is an interesting and intellectual exercise. Hagee said God allowed the holocaust to happen, which is consistent with his belief of a sovereign God that is actively involved in our world and who can allow evil to eventually accomplish his purpose. If you believe in God, but don't believe in a sovereign God, the picture isn't any brighter in your chilling photo. That God basically allowed evil to happen without any ability to stop evil and without any purpose. Hagee is right on the mark in my mind.
19 posted on 06/02/2008 2:08:26 PM PDT by MBB1984
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To: Mr. Pumblechook

Didn’t God consign millions of his people into slavery as part of his redemptive plan? Didn’t God have Joseph’s brothers sell him into slavery and didn’t Joseph specifically say God used this evil to accomplish good. While I don’t think God is giving Pastor Hagee any personal special revelation as to what his intentions were, the concept of God using evil to accomplish good is very Biblical.


20 posted on 06/02/2008 2:16:01 PM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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