Posted on 05/27/2008 8:29:00 AM PDT by shrinkermd
A good deal of what is posted on FR is based on misreading of the facts or outright xenophobia. Anyone who speaks on this subject should have some facts and understanding of the issues and solutions.
Karl Rove did this in December 2006. The You Tube presentation at CSPAN can be found: HERE.
Eight-and-a-half minutes?
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Too bad a 20 second clip isn’t out there.
He certainly seems to have made GWB into a believer of his nonsense.
“Karl Rove: U.S. Cannot Secure Border”
I think he mean’t “WILL NOT.”
There’s always that crowd that views life aas having value only when you can buy cheap dates.
Bump for later.
The US, can, in fact, accomplish just about anything the people decide is important enough to undertake.
With the logic being used, California should be an arid wasteland rather than the agricultural giant it is, etc.
One problem in this issue is that there are no single, overnight and comprehensive solutions that cost nothing.
No disrespect to Mr. Rove, and no, I did not spend 9 minutes listening. WOuld love a transcript though.
God Bless
Molon Labe
Nonsense. Of course it can be secured.
We just lack the willpower and sufficient public outrage to do so.
How convenient for their corporate globalist plans.
They believe in Market forces until wages go up- then they pervert the Market with a food a cheap labor.
It's a hypocritical philosophy.
Treat the southern USA border the same way as Mexico takes care of theirs and there will be far less illegals coming.
On the other hand, walls, fences and people with guns enforcing borders will go a long way to stopping illegal crossing.
Like any other crime, of course you will never stop it all.
You can reduce it greatly though.
The problem that Rove and his (former) boss and frankly the rest of the government has on this issue is that the American people do not trust them. We have good reason not to.
Glad to see the definition of 'enemy' has been so watered down as to be almost meaningless.
“Karl Rove: U.S. Cannot Secure Border”
The replies crowd the mind.
1. We went to the moon, we can’t secure our border?
2. If we cannot secure OUR border, how in Gods’ name will we EVER secure Iraq?
3. A nation that cannot secure it’s borders does not deserve them.
When someone is de facto aiding and abetting the invasion of my nation, that person or group of people are not my friend.
No system is 100%, but the current system is a “non-system” of security meaning that we are relying on little more than the honor of the individual to obey the laws.
A border fence, with monitors and enforcement will reduce the in bound flow from a flood to a stream.
Add to that, laws that make it difficult or painful for illegal aliens to be in the US and you significantly reduce the motivation to come here in the first place. The stream becomes a trickle. Further, those that are already here start to head back home as per the example set by Arizona.
People forget that it was Rove, not Bush himself, who “pushed” Bush into his Amnesty efforts in 2001 prior to 9/11 and thereafter. Rove had this insane notion that amnesty was what legal aliens and Mexican-American citizens favored, but he was wrong. What Rove and Bush didn’t realize was the depth of anger in law-and-order citizens against ANY amnesty. They (Bush thru Rove) tried to paint patriots like The MMP as “vigilantes” and “extremists”—when it was Bush & Rove who kissed the Mexican govt.’s behinds by allowing the Mexican leaders to “coax” their millions to break our Federal laws. The legacy of Bush will certainly be Iraq and two recessions, but his promotion of Amnesty and refusal to secure the Border caused an exponential increase in illegal entry. The blood of innocent Americans who have died from the murders and drunken driving killings by illegal aliens is on his hands.
Crux of the problem isn’t “matching willing workers with willing employers”
Example: In the late 70’s myself and lots of other college guys worked summer construction labor at abut $6/hr ($8/hr when I lucked out on a union contract). But there were plenty of family men and others in our crews.
By any measure you use (CPI, Average Wage Rate, inflation, etc), that $6 to $8 an hour would in 2006 dollars be $22 to $28 per hour.
But we know anecdotally that illegals are paid $10 to $16 per hour cash, no taxes.
Employers are getting a 40 to 60 percent discount on general unskilled labor compared to the 70’s.
And that’s where the “insatiable demand” for illegals comes from.
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