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Teacher lets Morningside students vote out classmate, 5 (berates disabled kid in front of class)
TC Palm ^ | 5/24/08 | Colleen Wixon

Posted on 05/25/2008 1:36:54 AM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: LibWhacker

This whore of Satan, Wendy Portillo, belongs in a classroom with children about as much as Ted Bundy belonged in a woman’s dormitory.

Whatever evil befalls her, she deserves.


61 posted on 05/25/2008 5:26:46 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: GAB-1955
Would you rather spend the money now or later?

As a conservative Christian, I would ask you why she should be the "people's" burden, rather than the family that brought her forth, AT ANY TIME OF HER LIFE?

62 posted on 05/25/2008 5:29:14 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( "Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome..." I. Asimov)
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To: CaspersGh0sts
It’s about as funny as you yelling at the paraplegic about how he’s slowing down traffic with his wheelchair in the hallway. Or the Muslim jackoff trying to get a seeing eye dog and his owner thrown out of school because he doesn’t like it. All 3 that I mentioned are suffering neurological deficiencies.

Why doesn’t wheelchair kid act more humble? And seeing eye dog man, why doesn’t he just take his mut and stay out of the public’s sight, lest he should offend anyone. In fact, why don’t we line him up in front of all the Somalis in Minnesota schools and let people tell him how much they hate him and his dog.

I’m being very mean-spirited right now, but I’ve actually dealt with Asberger’s kids as patients. Have you? Have you spent more than 5 minutes with one? They can’t help it. It’s something they’re born with and will die with—something they can make minimal progress with through behavioral therapy over time but will struggle with for a lifetime. The parents are trying to get him into a special needs class, which is where he belongs. It’s not like they let this lag on for years. This is the kid’s first year in school, afterall.

I’m all for discipline in schools. Ruling with a hard hand. Spanking. All that. But you can’t do that to a kid with Asberger’s. It will ultimately only be counterproductive.

And I don’t care who you are: it’s not the place of the students to kick a child out of class. That duty and that decision belongs solely to the teacher and the administrators, especially when we’re talking about 5-year olds.

Then why is he in the classroom in the first place? That's the crux of the problem. You, and others like you, advocate putting these children in regular classrooms where they are open to this while at the same time stultifying the learning process for everyone else.

The selfishness of parents who demand their disruptive children be forced on other children abounds.

It's all about MY child!

It's all about MY child!

It's all about MY child!

And to heck with everyone else's.

63 posted on 05/25/2008 5:29:25 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: csvset

And probably a fan of those so called reality shows were teams are allowed to vote members of an island.


64 posted on 05/25/2008 5:29:27 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: raybbr
Did you go to public school? Because your comprehension is lacking.

Nice...you said it...I was merely restating what you said. I sure hope you have no contact with children.

65 posted on 05/25/2008 5:32:40 AM PDT by txlurker
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To: txlurker
Nice...you said it...I was merely restating what you said. I sure hope you have no contact with children.

Wrong! You did not. You completely screwed up what I said with your own emotional reaction. Try again.

66 posted on 05/25/2008 5:36:13 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: srmorton
...Everyone wants to blame situations like this on No Child Left Behind (and therefore on President Bush)...

Of course it's Bush's fault! /s

NCLB is just another chink in his armor. Along with mandatory psychological testing, I think he has slipped into the dark side. Big spending and more gum't are not in my definition of conservative.

I voted for him the first time, and held my nose the second. I love the Man, but I have rally been disappointed in many of the things that have been done, or not done.At least he gave us good judges, and has prosecuted the war (though I would like to use a few nukes!). He has honored our troops, but he has screwed the taxpayers (and don't give me the crap about Congress spending, he gave them the checks)...

McCain? Hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa!

67 posted on 05/25/2008 5:36:36 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( "Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome..." I. Asimov)
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To: LibWhacker
I'm not sure what to think here.

I remember when I was in school, I was disruptive as well, though I did not have a disability. When I was a group of students chose to ostracize me for being a jackass, I felt bad as well. I think though that it helped me realize that the world is not going to revolve around me, and that if I want to have better relations with people, I will need to learn to properly behave myself in social situations.

In retrospect, I am grateful for the learning experience, but with regard to this child having a disability, part of me feels bad for him.

68 posted on 05/25/2008 5:38:29 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: LibWhacker
By a 14 to 2 margin, the students voted Alex — who is in the process of being diagnosed with autism — out of the class.

Democracy...

Why we have a republic.

If the boy had problems, deal with the problems, but public humiliation when the kid has a disorder is just cruelty.

If the class cannot function with him in it, pull him out, but this is an obscenity.

69 posted on 05/25/2008 5:40:00 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
If the class cannot function with him in it, pull him out, but this is an obscenity.

Sums it up, just right! She was wrong!

70 posted on 05/25/2008 5:47:19 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( "Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome..." I. Asimov)
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To: raybbr
Wrong! You did not. You completely screwed up what I said with your own emotional reaction. Try again.

No thanks...you and your type aren't worth the effort.

71 posted on 05/25/2008 5:47:49 AM PDT by txlurker
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To: LibWhacker; rawhide
Maybe I misread, or missed something in the article..... but do we know if the teacher indeed even knew that the child was in the process of being diagnosed with autism? Perhaps she was not aware of this. Do we know if in fact the parents had spoken with the teacher about the possible diagnoses or had they kept it private?

Until you have been in a teacher's shoes, trying to control a class full of undisciplined children who are raised by overly permissive parents, you will never understand how a teacher will sometimes search for innovative ways to bring a child to the understanding that some behavior is NOT socially acceptable by his peers. Sometimes the only thing that will make sense to a child is being accepted by peers.

Naturally, this would not hold true for an autistic child, but as I said before..... do we know the teacher had any idea that this child might be autistic. And lets be honest, the child has not yet been diagnosed, perhaps they will find that he is not autistic after all. As Rawhide so appropriately pointed out, "who knows?" So let's don't be so quick to judge this teacher!!

72 posted on 05/25/2008 5:48:37 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: LibWhacker

A root cause of these issues is the underlying notion that disabled people are normal.

They are not normal no mater how much much we pass laws and issue decelerations stating that they are.


73 posted on 05/25/2008 5:49:12 AM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: rawhide

It would appear the child is unfit to be in normal school.

To prevent repeated disruption, isolation seems necessary.


74 posted on 05/25/2008 5:53:27 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The Bitcons will elect a Democrat by default)
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To: raybbr
My eye! Maybe he'll learn to stop being a jerk.

Bingo.

Maybe this will teach him to straighten up and stop being a little spaz.

75 posted on 05/25/2008 5:53:39 AM PDT by humblegunner (Che is Gay)
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To: Coldwater Creek
"This is a five year old! He couldn't care less what other people think about his behavior."

If that's the case, then what's the big deal here?

I'll bet he cares now. The teacher did a great job of pointing out to everyone that actions have consequences.

"Berates disabled kid" The headline is intended to invoke outrage and make the kid a victim - Disabled is a person in a wheelchair, not a disruptive brat.

76 posted on 05/25/2008 5:55:30 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
Dear Apple Pan Dowdy,

“...a teacher will sometimes search for innovative ways to bring a child to the understanding...”

Sorry, but wanton cruelty directed toward a five year-old isn't an “innovative” anything.

The teacher should be canned, barred from teaching everywhere and for all time, and given a job more suitable to her talents, gifts, and apparent educational attainment levels.

Like cleaning toilets in a flophouse.


sitetest

77 posted on 05/25/2008 5:56:30 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: srmorton
The liberals in education did not want these students to "feel different" so, instead of being in a separate classroom taught by those who were trained to deal with their particular problems, they were placed in "regular" classrooms.

Sorry, it was not so much "the liberals in education" as the parents of these children - the parents did not want their children to be stigmatized with a label and segregated from the rest of the school population, but they also wanted their children to receive the services required to compensate for their disability.

This left one teacher to deal with the special needs of one student (which could even include catherization for incontinent students) while trying to teach a full class of "normal" students. On its face, the idea is ridiculous, but is still practiced in some school systems.

Actually, it's being pushed on more and more school systems, in part because of parents and in part because of No Child Left Behind.

If special education students need to pass the same standardized assessments as regular education students, it is thought that perhaps they'd better be learning the same things in the same environment.

78 posted on 05/25/2008 5:56:41 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: raybbr
Then why is he in the classroom in the first place? That's the crux of the problem. You, and others like you, advocate putting these children in regular classrooms where they are open to this while at the same time stultifying the learning process for everyone else.

So you have a problem that these children are put into a regular classroom and problems occur. You think it perfectly acceptable then, because of that issue, the teacher's frustrations should be taken out directly on those children to prove that point? Do you also kick crutches and walkers out from under people.

79 posted on 05/25/2008 5:58:30 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: tsmith130
Do you also kick crutches and walkers out from under people.

Yeah. Are you on crutches besides the mental ones?

80 posted on 05/25/2008 5:59:48 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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