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US residents in military brigs? Govt says it's war
AP on Yahoo ^ | 5/24/08 | Matt Apuzzo - ap

Posted on 05/24/2008 9:36:30 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - If his cell were at Guantanamo Bay, the prisoner would be just one of hundreds of suspected terrorists detained offshore, where the U.S. says the Constitution does not apply.

But Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri is a U.S. resident being held in a South Carolina military brig; he is the only enemy combatant held on U.S. soil. That makes his case very different.

Al-Marri's capture six years ago might be the Bush administration's biggest domestic counterterrorism success story. Authorities say he was an al-Qaida sleeper agent living in middle America, researching poisonous gasses and plotting a cyberattack.

To justify holding him, the government claimed a broad interpretation of the president's wartime powers, one that goes beyond warrantless wiretapping or monitoring banking transactions. Government lawyers told federal judges that the president can send the military into any U.S. neighborhood, capture a citizen and hold him in prison without charge, indefinitely.

There is little middle ground between the two sides in al-Marri's case, which is before a federal appeals court in Virginia. The government says the president needs this power to keep the nation safe. Al-Marri's lawyers say that as long as the president can detain anyone he wants, nobody is safe.

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A Qatari national, al-Marri came to the U.S. with his wife and five children on Sept. 10, 2001 — one day before the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. He arrived on a student visa seeking a master's degree in computer science from Bradley University, a small private school in Peoria, Ill.

The government says he had other plans.

According to court documents citing multiple intelligence sources, al-Marri spent months in al-Qaida training camps during the late 1990s and was schooled in the science of poisons. The summer before al-Marri left for the United States, he allegedly met with Osama bin Laden and Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. The two al-Qaida leaders decided al-Marri would make a perfect sleeper agent and rushed him into the U.S. before Sept. 11, the government says.

A computer specialist, al-Marri was ordered to wreak havoc on the U.S. banking system and serve as a liaison for other al-Qaida operatives entering this country, according to a court document filed by Jeffrey Rapp, a senior member of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

According to Rapp, al-Marri received up to $13,000 for his trip, plus money to buy a laptop, courtesy of Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi, who is suspected of helping finance the Sept. 11 attacks.

A week after the attacks, Congress unanimously passed the Authorization for Use of Military Force. It gave President Bush the power to "use all necessary and appropriate force" against anyone involved in planning, aiding or carrying out the attacks.

The FBI interviewed al-Marri that October and arrested him in December as part of the Sept. 11 investigation. He rarely had been attending classes and was failing in school, the government said.

When investigators looked through his computer files, they found information on industrial chemical suppliers, sermons by bin Laden, how-to guides for making hydrogen cyanide and information about chemicals labeled "immediately dangerous to life or health," according to Rapp's court filing. Phone calls and e-mails linked al-Marri to senior al-Qaida leaders.

In early 2003, he was indicted on charges of credit card fraud and lying to the FBI. Like anyone else in the country, he had constitutional rights. He could question government witnesses, refuse to testify and retain a lawyer.

On June 23, 2003, Bush declared al-Marri an enemy combatant, which stripped him of those rights. Bush wrote that al-Marri possessed intelligence vital to protect national security. In his jail cell in Peoria, however, he could refuse to speak with investigators.

A military brig allowed more options. Free from the constraints of civilian law, the military could interrogate al-Marri without a lawyer, detain him without charge and hold him indefinitely. Courts have agreed the president has wide latitude to imprison people captured overseas or caught fighting against the U.S. That is what the prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba is for.

But al-Marri was not in Guantanamo Bay.

"The president is not a king and cannot lock people up forever in the United States based on his say-so," said Jonathan Hafetz, a lawyer who represents al-Marri and other detainees. "Today it's Mr. al-Marri. Tomorrow it could be you, a member of your family, someone you know. Once you allow the president to lock people up for years or even life without trial, there's no going back."

Glenn Sulmasy, a national security fellow at Harvard, said the issue comes down to whether the nation is at war. Soldiers would not need warrants to launch a strike against invading troops. So would they need a warrant to raid an al-Qaida safe house in a U.S. suburb?

Sulmasy says no. That's how Congress wrote the bill and "if they feel concerned about civil liberties, they can tighten up the language," he said.

That would require the politically risky move of pushing legislation to make it harder for the president to detain suspected terrorists inside the U.S.

Al-Marri is not the first prisoner who did not fit neatly into the definition of enemy combatant.

Two U.S. citizens, Yaser Esam Hamdi and Jose Padilla, were held at the same brig as al-Marri. But there are differences. Hamdi was captured on an Afghanistan battlefield. Padilla, too, fought alongside the Taliban before his capture in the United States.

By comparison, al-Marri had not been on the battlefield. He was lawfully living in the United States. That raises new questions.

Did Congress really intend to give the president the authority to lock up suspected terrorists overseas but not those living here?

If another Sept. 11-like plot was discovered, could the military imprison the would-be hijackers before they stepped onto the planes?

Is a foreign battlefield really necessary in a conflict that turned downtown Manhattan into ground zero?

Also, if enemy combatants can be detained in the U.S., how long can they be held without charge? Without lawyers? Without access to the outside world? Forever?

These questions play to two of the biggest fears that have dominated public policy debate since Sept. 11: the fear of another terrorist attack and the fear the government will use that threat to crack down on civil liberties.

"If he is taken to a civilian court in the United States and it's been proved he is guilty and it's been proved there's evidence to show that he's guilty, you know, he deserves what he gets," his brother, Mohammed al-Marri, said in a telephone interview Friday from his home in Saudi Arabia. "But he's just been taken there with no court, no nothing. That's shame on the United States."

Courts have gone back and forth on al-Marri's case as it worked its way through the system. The last decision, a 2-1 ruling by a 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel, found that the president had crossed the line and al-Marri must be returned to the civilian court system. Anything else would "alter the constitutional foundations of our Republic," the judges said.

The full appeals court is reviewing that decision and a ruling is expected soon. During arguments last year, government lawyers said the courts should give great deference to the president when the nation is at war.

"What you assert is the power of the military to seize a person in the United States, including an American citizen, on suspicion of being an enemy combatant?" Judge William B. Traxler asked.

"Yes, your honor," Justice Department lawyer Gregory Garre replied.

The court seemed torn.

One judge questioned why there was such anxiety over the policy. After all, there have been no mass roundups of citizens and no indications the White House is coming for innocent Americans next.

Another judge said the question is not whether the president was generous in his use of power; it is whether the power is constitutional.

Whatever the decision, the case seems destined for the Supreme Court. In the meantime, the first military trials are set to begin soon against detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Al-Marri may get one, too. Or he may get put back into the civilian court system. For now, he waits.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; almarri; brigs; detainees; enemycombatant; gitmo; gwot; immigration; military; residents; terrortrials; wot

1 posted on 05/24/2008 9:36:30 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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Documents and information from al-Marri’s defense team:
Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law http://tinyurl.com/6kp58o


2 posted on 05/24/2008 9:37:14 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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A Qatari national, al-Marri came to the U.S. with his wife and five children on Sept. 10, 2001 — one day before the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. He arrived on a student visa seeking a master’s degree in computer science from Bradley University, a small private school in Peoria, Ill.

The government says he had other plans.

According to court documents citing multiple intelligence sources, al-Marri spent months in al-Qaida training camps during the late 1990s and was schooled in the science of poisons. The summer before al-Marri left for the United States, he allegedly met with Osama bin Laden and Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. The two al-Qaida leaders decided al-Marri would make a perfect sleeper agent and rushed him into the U.S. before Sept. 11, the government says.

A computer specialist, al-Marri was ordered to wreak havoc on the U.S. banking system and serve as a liaison for other al-Qaida operatives entering this country, according to a court document filed by Jeffrey Rapp, a senior member of the Defense Intelligence Agency.


3 posted on 05/24/2008 9:38:42 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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Al-Marri’s capture six years ago might be the Bush administration’s biggest domestic counterterrorism success story. Authorities say he was an al-Qaida sleeper agent living in middle America, researching poisonous gasses and plotting a cyberattack.

You never hear much about the successes, this is one of them, depending on whose side you are on.

Gee, I hope they didn’t waterboard him.. much.


4 posted on 05/24/2008 9:40:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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This guy was a “US resident” , kind of makes it sound like others who are called a “undocumented immigrant” or a “freedom fighter”.


5 posted on 05/24/2008 9:43:18 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Gee, I hope they didn’t waterboard him.. much

Surfs up.

6 posted on 05/24/2008 9:45:14 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is America's George Galloway?)
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To: NormsRevenge
U.S. RESIDENT ie foreign national on U.S. soil,another example of msm trying to make people believe U.S.CITZENS are being swept up and disappearing in the night.If you are a foreign national on U.S. soil planning attacks against U.S. CITZENS then as an unarmed combatant then we have the right to detain you and hang you,it's even in the Geneva Convention that the liberals all swear that we should abide by.I'm so sick of the poor Abdul the terrorist victim stories.
7 posted on 05/24/2008 9:58:10 AM PDT by bonehead4freedom (No I can't vote for McCain ,he's Arnold without the accent!)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Surf’s up....

“And I guess that was your accomplice in the wood chipper.”

....from the 1996 film, Fargo


8 posted on 05/24/2008 10:02:34 AM PDT by CreviceTool
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To: NormsRevenge; All

And .. as his betrayal continues .. I saw Colin Powell saying that “the new President should close Guantanamo immediately”.

Good grief!! When are the conservatives going to show up.

If we do that .. and move those killers to USA prisons .. the war will be on. What I mean by that is this: once these killers are here in the USA - they will be broken out of jails - and used to continue their evil on innocent USA citizens.

NO!!!!!!! WE DO NOT WANT THIS SCUM HERE IN AMERICA.


9 posted on 05/24/2008 10:10:27 AM PDT by CyberAnt (Yon: "The U.S. military is the most respected institution in Iraq.")
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To: NormsRevenge

The moment a Dem moves into the White House, these stories will vanish, unless of course they’re reporting that Obama has released people like this.

MM


10 posted on 05/24/2008 10:13:39 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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“U.S resident.” Actually he was an illegal alien. A foreign national, he clearly committed visa fraud when he swore on his student visa application—yes, they do have to swear to have told the truth on such applications—that his objective in coming to the US was to study. He was frequently absent. He was failing. And his real objective was to do us harm. If one commits visa fraud to get here, one is an illegal. Of course that's the least of his worries right now. His best hope is an Hussein Obama victory, in which case he can expect an abject apology, hefty compensation, and an instant Green Card.
11 posted on 05/24/2008 10:33:41 AM PDT by Godwin1
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“U.S resident.” Actually he was an illegal alien. A foreign national, he clearly committed visa fraud when he swore on his student visa application—yes, they do have to swear to have told the truth on such applications—that his objective in coming to the US was to study. He was frequently absent. He was failing. And his real objective was to do us harm. If one commits visa fraud to get here, one is an illegal. Of course that's the least of his worries right now. His best hope is an Hussein Obama victory, in which case he can expect an abject apology, hefty compensation, and an instant Green Card.
12 posted on 05/24/2008 10:34:29 AM PDT by Godwin1
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“U.S resident.” Actually he was an illegal alien. A foreign national, he clearly committed visa fraud when he swore on his student visa application—yes, they do have to swear to have told the truth on such applications—that his objective in coming to the US was to study. He was frequently absent. He was failing. And his real objective was to do us harm. If one commits visa fraud to get here, one is an illegal. Of course that's the least of his worries right now. His best hope is an Hussein Obama victory, in which case he can expect an abject apology, hefty compensation, and an instant Green Card.
13 posted on 05/24/2008 10:34:34 AM PDT by Godwin1
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To: NormsRevenge

He is NOT a U.S. resident. He is not even a resident alien. He is an non-immigrant alien admitted to the U.S. for the purpose of study. Evidence suggests he falsely stated the purpose of his visit. Sounds like an enemy alien. A far cry from “they’re going to round up citizens next.”


14 posted on 05/24/2008 10:48:12 AM PDT by Procyon (To the global warming fanatics the problem is too many people and the solution is genocide.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Clever trick AP, but a US Resident, and a US Citizen is not the same thing


15 posted on 05/24/2008 10:49:19 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: Godwin1

““U.S resident.” Actually he was an illegal alien. A foreign national, he clearly committed visa fraud when he swore on his student visa application—yes, they do have to swear to have told the truth on such applications—that his objective in coming to the US was to study. He was frequently absent. He was failing. And his real objective was to do us harm. If one commits visa fraud to get here, one is an illegal. Of course that’s the least of his worries right now. His best hope is an Hussein Obama victory, in which case he can expect an abject apology, hefty compensation, and an instant Green Card. “

You’re right it was fraudulent. Don’t forget, Mr. McCain has every intention of giving them all amnesty as well.


16 posted on 05/24/2008 10:56:07 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: bonehead4freedom
Unarmed, I meant armed combatant without a uniform or national insignia.
17 posted on 05/24/2008 7:12:17 PM PDT by bonehead4freedom (No I can't vote for McCain ,he's Arnold without the accent!)
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