Posted on 05/18/2008 9:42:14 PM PDT by hole_n_one
Manson ranch to be searched for bodies
Man what a truly creepy place that must have been back then. I remember reading a bit about the Tate stuff when I was a kid. Yikes.
ON THE MORNING OF THE ATTACKS on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, along with a million other readers of the New York Times including many who would never be able to read the paper again, I opened its pages to be confronted by a color photo showing a middle-aged couple holding hands and affecting a defiant look at the camera. The article was headlined in an irony that could not have been more poignant, "No Regrets For A Love Of Explosives."
The couple pictured were Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, former leaders of the 1960s’ Weather Underground, America’s first terrorist cult. One of their bombing targets, as it happened, was the Pentagon.
"I don’t regret setting bombs," Ayers was quoted in the opening line of the Times profile; "I feel we didn’t do enough." In 1969, Ayers and his wife convened a "War Council" in Flint Michigan, whose purpose was to launch a military front inside the United States with the purpose of helping Third World [Maoist-communist] revolutionaries conquer and destroy it.
Taking charge of the podium, dressed in high-heeled boots and a leather mini-skirt – her signature uniform – Dorhn incited the assembled radicals to join the war against "Amerikkka" and create chaos and destruction in the "belly of the beast."
Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a "fork salute" to mass murderer Charles Manson whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the "Tate Eight" (the most famous was actress Sharon Tate) Dohrn shouted:
"Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!"
(big snip)
Today William Ayers is not merely an author favored by the New York Times, but a Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois, Chicago.
His Lady Macbeth [Bernardine Dohrn] is not merely a lawyer, but a member of the American Bar Association’s governing elite, as well as the director of Northwestern University’s Children and Family Justice Center.
[it's true! see: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/aclu/]
Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63512670-BF7C-42A0-B41D-5D0FB9E09C09
The Center for Public Intellectuals & The University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC)
April 19th-20th, 2002, Conference
[Participants include: William/Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Sen Barack Obama]
April 19th-20th, 2002
Chicago Illini Union
828 S. Wolcott
This conference is part of the Center's mission of helping to create a more engaged civil society, working towards social change, fostering coalitions between theorists and activists, and combating anti-intellectualism in contemporary culture. It will be both a celebration of ideas and a rigorous examination of the roles and responsibilities that intellectuals play in society.
I. Why Do Ideas Matter? (a keynote panel)
We introduce the “meta” theme of the conference by hearing “success stories” from diverse voices discussing their experiences intervening intellectually.
Timuel Black, Chicago activist; Prof. Emeritus, City Colleges of Chicago
Lonnie Bunch, President, Chicago Historical Society
Bernardine Dohrn, Northwestern University Law School, Children and Family Justice Center
Gerald Graff, UIC, College of Liberal Arts & Sciences
Richard Rorty, Stanford University, Philosophy
III. Lunch and Public Encounters
Alternative breakout tours led by Chicago activists. Tours of Bronzeville and other communities, and visits to organizations that are working on partnering theorists with activists.
IV. Intellectuals in Times of Crisis
Experiences and applications of intellectual work in urgent situations.
William Ayers, UIC, College of Education; author of Fugitive Days
Douglass Cassel, Northwestern University, Center for International Human Rights
Cathy Cohen, University of Chicago, Political Science
Salim Muwakkil, Chicago Tribune; In These Times
Barack Obama, Illinois State Senator
Barbara Ransby, UIC, African-American Studies (moderator)
The Center for Public Intellectuals
University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC):
http://www.uic.edu/classes/las/las400/conferencealt.htm
Digging starts on Tuesday, May 20th.
I shutter to think that one day, some of these animals will be released from prison. They should have been put down 30 years ago.
I think you’re on the wrong thread.
Try reading it again...with your glasses on.
Interesting.
(hi, h_n_o!)
Who owns Barker now, anyway.
Really?
yeah, really, what’s the hurry, it’s only been nearly 40 yrs.
me too, I was 12 and visiting my grandmother in NYC and saw Sharon Tate’s picture on the front page of the paper, Daily News or the Post most likely..
Apparently the mod on duty agreed.
If I missed some pearl in your response, I'm sorry.
I'm sure you'll find several more inappropriate threads to post it to.
How much effort is involved anyway.......
copy
paste
Well, don’t I look like an idiot.
I do.
According to Wikipedia, the National Park Service does.
told you...you own part of it too.
Manson had a philosophy that blacks would rise up against whites, but they needed an instigator such as himself to get the "revolution" started. He used his followers as an extension of himself. Throughout the trial, Bugliosi's team wondered how this skinny, bizarre man had managed to acquire so many female disciples, some of whom demonstrated outside the courtroom and shaved their heads when he did, and some of whom claimed they would kill or die for him."
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/s_k_groupies/3.html
"I don’t regret setting bombs," Ayers was quoted in the opening line of the Times profile; "I feel we didn’t do enough." In 1969, Ayers and his wife convened a "War Council" in Flint Michigan, whose purpose was to launch a military front inside the United States with the purpose of helping Third World [Maoist-communist] revolutionaries conquer and destroy it.
Taking charge of the podium, dressed in high-heeled boots and a leather mini-skirt – her signature uniform – Dorhn incited the assembled radicals to join the war against "Amerikkka" and create chaos and destruction in the "belly of the beast."
Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a "fork salute" to mass murderer Charles Manson whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the "Tate Eight" (the most famous was actress Sharon Tate) Dohrn shouted:
"Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!"
Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63512670-BF7C-42A0-B41D-5D0FB9E09C09
My birthday is August 9; Sharon Tate’s murder, Nixon’s resignation, Nagasaki....
lol!
Thanks for the MORE than relevant info!
"Helter Skelter would begin, according to one of Charlie's devotees, 'with the black man going into white people's homes and ripping off the white people, physically destroying them. A couple of spades from Watts would come up into the Bel Air and Beverly Hills district...and just really wipe some people out, just cutting bodies up and smearing blood and writing things on the wall in blood...all kinds of super-atrocious crimes that would really make the white man mad...until there was open revolution in the streets, until they finally won and took over. Then the black man would assume the white man's karma. He would then be the establishment...'"
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/manson/skelter_6.html
>>Man what a truly creepy place that must have been back then
Visited Barker Ranch in 2003. It was *still* creepy. Place gave me the hebeejeebees.
Folks could spend the night there for free... nooo thanks.
boo!
KCAL9 just ran the story, and apparently sent letters to Manson and Tex Watson...asking if more bodies were buried there. Watson answered saying he didnt think so, or that no one was buried while he was there.
pic we took when we were there (Feb. 2001):
Charles D. Watson’s blog.
http://www.aboundinglove.org/mv/2008/mv-005.php
Like LomanBill said. HEEEEBEE JEEBY. Way.
>>boo!
One of the most interesting parts of the trip was up Goler canyon... Up which Charley, according to the legend, “flew” a school bus.
It’s a popular 4x4 destination:
http://www.totalescape.com/active/wheelz/roads/goler.html
I have no idea how he got the school bus up there.
The isolation of the place renders a dramatic effect; especially if you imagine being isolated up there in the summer heat with crazy Charlie and his clan all whacked out on acid and meth.
It’s impressive.
Why would someone like the Apostle Paul give you the “heebee jeeby’s”? I’m not saying Charles W. has the depth of ministry and impact on our society that Paul did back then, but his past wasn’t nearly as horrific as Paul’s was — as Saul, the Christian serial killer.
Interesting how we can accept the conversion of someone as evil as Saul/Paul, but never consider the possibility that someone like Charles Watson could ever find the forgiveness and grace of God in the same way, and have it be as genuine.
Something to think about....especially as it seems you are a Christian (from your tag line)...
I’m glad that I don’t get what I deserve. I’m glad God’s mercy extends to me, regardless of what I’ve done (or haven’t done).
There was a guy named “Shorty” who was going to “rat” on the Manson “family”. He disappeared and was never heard from again. He’s probably out there somewhere.
“You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody’s crazy.”
Charles Manson
“Shorty” Shea. He was a cowboy at the Spahn Ranch, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I always thought that Shorty was never found but doing a search now that I am interested again I found the above. Its wiki but I tend to think its true. The video I just saw was pretty interesting & does say Shorty was found.
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/the-six-degrees-of-helter-skelter-shorty-shea/1260004795
“& does say Shorty was found.”
Thank you for that info. The rumor at the time was that Shorty “got out of Dodge” to avoid being killed but I thought that he had probably been killed.
I always found it interesting to read about Manson & I thought there were missing bodies. Could be but its been a long time. The video was rather interesting. I can remember the headlines & I had to be pretty young at the time. I am glad they found Shorty. I don’t know what they will find up there now. Its been so many years but maybe they will give some family comfort whose member has been missing. Should have been done a long time ago IMHO.
Seen any signs that Charlie or his followers are willing to “convert”? I would say, offhand, that your comparison between and Paul and Manson is just a tad off. Must be nice to so delusional that you think even the most brutal of killers should perhaps be set free to roam and kill more people. Manson and his crowd should have all been put to death. In case you missed it, the penalty for murder in the bible is death.
Obviously it’s Tex Watson discussing subjects like bodies and where they might or might not be buried that gives me pause.
I said nothing about Manson. I only spoke about Charles Watson. I’m glad the Apostle Paul — and oh yeah! Moses and King David — didn’t have the biblical death penalty imposed on THEM when each of them committed premeditated murder.
Guess you forgot about that one...
Charles Watson was specifically contact by the media and asked for his knowledge of any bodies in the desert. He answered truthfully and specifically. If he had said nothing — and CNN reported that “when asked about the possibilities of additional murders at the cabin, Charles Watson refused to answer and did not contact this reporter” — then you all would criticize him for covering something up.
Seems like something that could have been done a few years ago. But, OBL is somewhere.
Seems like something that could have been done a few years ago. But, OBL is somewhere.
What’s up with the thread spam?
No. I wouldn’t. And his being contacted by CNN and answering their question is different than blogging about it.
Can’t ground penetrating radar find areas of disturbed soil? Seems more efficient than cadaver sniffing dogs on 30 year old burials.
That's what I thought, too. I thought cadaver dogs were trained to find decaying flesh, not 40 year old skeletons.
I thought I explained it already. Charles Manson's "Helter Skelter" (his "plan" behind the murder spree) was nearly identical in nature to those of groups like the Weather Underground, the Black Panthers, the Black Liberation Army, the Symbionese Liberation Army (Patty Hearst), and even Rev. Wright's Black Liberation Theology and just plain Liberation Theology. That is, to stir up hatred and division between the races for the precise purposes of launching a revolutionary overthrow of the U.S. government. If you're still interested, go back over my earlier postings. And if you'll like more info you won't easily find anywhere else regarding all this, let me know and I'll be happy to provide it.
It sure was weird seeing William LaJeunesse reporting live from Ballarat this morning.
Actually, this is good practice for a CSI trainee.
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