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10-year-old scholar takes Calif. college by storm/ Homeschooled Boy is a College Sophomore
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24612730?GT1=43001 ^

Posted on 05/18/2008 3:05:27 PM PDT by wintertime

DOWNEY, Calif. - With the end of another school year approaching, college sophomore Moshe Kai Cavalin is cramming for final exams in classes such as advanced mathematics, foreign languages and music.

But Cavalin is only 10 years old. And at 4-foot-7, his shoes don't quite touch the floor as he puts down a schoolbook and swivels around in his chair to greet a visitor.

"I'm studying statistics," says the alternately precocious and shy Cavalin, his textbook lying open on the living room desk of his parents' apartment in this quiet suburb east of Los Angeles.

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To: 9YearLurker; easternsky
By the way, I have never met a fat homeschooler, either, who has been homeschooled from the beginning. :)

( Really!)

41 posted on 05/18/2008 5:02:22 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: ZGuy
They spend years keeping their kids out of government schools and see the kids thrive and get superior educations, only to turn around at the end of it and say “OK, now we’ll send you to a government university!”

Yeah, but by the time they're ready to go to college, they've been pretty well "inoculated against indoctrination". They're not NEARLY as malleable as are elementary and secondary school kids.

42 posted on 05/18/2008 5:13:27 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: ZGuy

We do consider this, our family is laying the foundation for our children to learn to think critically. We provide the early guidance and they are ready to stand their ground when they get to college because they have been rooted in truth.


43 posted on 05/18/2008 5:24:00 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: wintertime

I hadn’t thought of that, but how unnatural to make kids sit tight at little desks 6 hours a day.


44 posted on 05/18/2008 5:25:44 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Wonder Warthog

I think you’re right, but it makes me wonder when I hear of kids going on to places like [insert the name of your local liberal garbage university here] instead of going on to a place where they could continue developing their personal genius and their pursuit of academic excellence.


45 posted on 05/18/2008 5:33:18 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: Regulator

relax. Homeschooling is NOT illegal in CA. Someone needs to do their homework!


46 posted on 05/18/2008 5:39:08 PM PDT by adopt4Christ (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: wintertime
Thanks for this post...most people don't realize (thanks to the pathetic public school system) that
most children throughout history were homeschooled! The idea of "public schools" like today is a relatively NEW idea to civilization!

In other words, the world got along just fine for CENTURIES without teachers unions, taxpayer funded schools, government-mandated curriculums, etc.

47 posted on 05/18/2008 5:52:51 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (Just say NObama!)
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To: trimom
And what does the 13 year old college grad do next?

Continue learning or get a job, while he's waiting around to enter Grad school.

Why hold a kid back, just because he's younger than the other students?

48 posted on 05/18/2008 5:53:29 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: cubreporter

The problem (or not) is that when my four homeschooled children wake up each morning, they expect for me to give them “new material”. My 6 year old will say (if I give him assignments that look familiar), “Mommy, I did this yesterday!” so I have to give him NEW work every day. Yes, he’s smarter than the average bear, BUT if ANY child, public school educated or NOT, had a private tutor every day, teaching only them at their level, they could advance much quicker than when you have to wait on the majority of students in a classroom packed with 30 children before new information / skills are introduced.

It is THIS REASON why many homeschooled children are doing college level work so young. Their school days are not wasted by recess and lunch periods and school assemblies and lining up. My 6 year old in “1st grade” reads at about a 6th - 7th grade level — same reading level as my 10, 11 & 14 year olds — and it’s increasing every day because we do not watch TV, and he reads nothing but the Classics all day long not because I make him, but because he loves reading. This week alone my 6 year old read Ivanhoe, 20,000 leagues under the Sea, and King Arthur without any prompting. Am I pushing him? Don’t be ridiculous. I’m a single adoptive homeschooling mother of four. I don’t have time to push him — just to lay out the next thing he should be learning, and answer questions along the way as I teach him.

And my own children are allowed to be children, regardless of what subjects they can tackle. They play hide and seek and checkers and Monopoly and hopscotch and ride their bikes every day. They’re normal age-appropriate children. And yes, a requirement in my “classroom” is that you must know the President of the United States in order, and all the states & capitals & proper spelling, & all your math facts, before you go into 5th grade.

My 14 year old was “severely delayed special ed” all her life before she came to me at nearly 11 years old, completely illiterate. She could not read a single word, could not write her name very well, or tell you what 2+2 was. Three years later after homeschooling her, she is doing Algebra (loving it & mastering it), reading at a 6th grade level, and writes inspiring paragraphs about her life experiences.

It’s the focus we homeschool moms give our children that allows them to soar — not necessarily because their IQ’s are off the charts. Also — shut off your cable TV service, and your children will overnite get smarter. :-)


49 posted on 05/18/2008 5:53:29 PM PDT by adopt4Christ (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: wintertime
>>10-year-old scholar takes Calif. college by storm/ Homeschooled Boy is a College Sophomore

Soon to become this man...


50 posted on 05/18/2008 6:05:33 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: adopt4Christ

Amen to that and congratulations on doing such a super job for your children. I agree smaller is better. It’s hard on teachers when they are governed by the School Board and have to be PC all the time. Not only are the classes crowded but discipline in some hamper the efforts of the teachers towards the kids who want to learn. Keep up the good work. Hope one day not only will your kids know all the Presidents but...maybe one of them will ACTUALLY be the President. Although I would hate to wish that on anyone in todays world. :)


51 posted on 05/18/2008 6:11:02 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: ZGuy
"....[insert the name of your local liberal garbage university here] instead of going on to a place where they could continue developing their personal genius and their pursuit of academic excellence."

By the time homeschooled kids are ready to tackle college-level stuff, it is my impression that they've got a pretty good idea of where to go to get what fits their wishes--and most of them seem to land scholarships that allow them to do so--so I really don't think that the idea of them "blindly" getting sucked into "liberal-think" is very likely.

52 posted on 05/18/2008 7:07:17 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: cubreporter
would think he would feel very out of place not being around his peers.

the article brings out that the parents are cognizant of this and making sure he has the opportunity to be a "10 year old" - but on the other side, not being allowed to pursue his talents at their level would be greater detriment as he would be bored stiff and that leads to another set of problems. He needs both sides...to his "peers" in age, but also his "peers" in intellect.

Sounds like he has wise parents who are handling this quite well on all levels...

53 posted on 05/18/2008 7:11:02 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: CodeToad
The public school system wastes more time than they use in those K-12 years. Take a child and properly educate them and they could easily have a college degree of today’s standards by the age of 16 and not work but half the time they now spend in classrooms.

And there, folks, is the whole ball of wax.

Public schools came in being to provide an education for the poor who could not afford or be afforded tutors, private schooling, etc..

Once big money got big enough to tip the balance, the privilege of attending public schools slipped into compulsion.

Home schooled children are often not only better socialized, but far more confident in their own abilities and worth as individuals.

The book schooling for home schoolers only takes 2-3 hours a day, leaving many hours for other activities, learning hobbies, having time and natural exercise in fresh air and sunshine, eating better food and - well, the list goes on.

Public education is shortchanging children to a criminal degree...

54 posted on 05/18/2008 7:19:46 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: wintertime

Coming from a family of teachers, we decided to homeschool our kids. We had to make financial sacrifices and spend a lot of time tutoring but it was well worth it. They’re good clean kids who went on to graduate from college with hontors and now have excellent jobs and ethics. It was tough at times....but it paid off.


55 posted on 05/18/2008 7:29:36 PM PDT by cowdog77 (Circle the Wagons)
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To: cowdog77

hontors = honors (:>{


56 posted on 05/18/2008 7:30:21 PM PDT by cowdog77 (Circle the Wagons)
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To: wintertime
My own homeschooled children entered college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13. They were finished with Calculus III and all college general requirements by the age of 15.

How magnanimous of you to donate such capable young hosts for the growing legions of government-educated leeches to feed upon as we progress onward in the establishment of our new American socialist utopia. More home-schooled wagon pullers and fewer wagon riders will help keep the socialist gravy train running maybe an extra 10 years or so until the inevitable economic collapse.

57 posted on 05/18/2008 7:55:06 PM PDT by MCH
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To: trimom; cubreporter; wintertime; Clintonfatigued
I’m still not sure I see the benefit of college for students so young (if the middle school is a dangerous place, the college campus terrifies me!).

I share that opinion, and I'm a homeschool parent myself. One of our sons was off-the-charts in his studies at a very young age, too. But, I never considered placing him in a college course with adult students.

One of the main reasons we homeschool is to enable our children to retain their childhood innocence. The public schools have adopted a political agenda that robs children of their innocence, and the same agenda is pushed in college courses. Also, it is common for adult students to discuss controversial issues in class with their instructors/professors (as they should feel free to do). I wouldn't want my young child subjected to that.

Around here, homeschool parents typically start their children in college courses at age 13, 14, or 15. So, our plan is to have our eldest take CLEP tests and one college course next year at age 13. But, most likely, that college course will be a cybercourse so that he can work at home. It probably will be a mathematics course, which may be safer. Subjects like history and literature will have to wait because we don't want him in a class where controversial issues may be discussed yet.

All that said, other parents should be free to make different choices for their own children. But I'd like to see more college programs geared specifically toward the young children who are working at an advanced level.

58 posted on 05/18/2008 8:49:47 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: cubreporter

I wouldn’t wish THAT on my worse enemy (wanting my child to be POTUS someday)! Thanks for the vote of confidence.


59 posted on 05/18/2008 9:29:32 PM PDT by adopt4Christ (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: wintertime

Though I am pro home schooling, this story may not be such an indicator of home school success as of public school failure. Most college grads to day could not pass a 1900 eighth grade graduation exam. Home schoolers are just teaching their children the information and concepts the American public schools won’t.


60 posted on 05/19/2008 4:28:48 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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