President Apostate?

The New York Times ^ | May 12, 2008 | Edward N. Luttwak

[Puzzleman]

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As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him.

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).

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[Puzzleman]

Something to think about.

[Philly Nomad]

So if we really wanted to tick off the Mooslims we should vote for Obama?

[Galtoid]

One has to wonder what connections to the Clinton campaign this author has. Some good blogger can find out. I have my suspicions.

[Resolute Conservative]

If he believes in abortion and that queers are okay to practice their abomination then I doubt his Christianity is sincere ( as I do anyone with the same beliefs ). So I guess that makes him an apostate in one religion and one cult.

[A message]

and how important his Christian faith is to him

Balderdash.

[RC2]

You won’t tick off the muslims. Obama has saddled up with the Nation of islam.

[Verloona Ti]

Read the 77 comments published on this article. Very depressing-they've overwhelmingly swallowed the taqiyah kool aide, and believe islam is a religion of tolerance and noncompulsion, not a word about dhimmitude, etc etc. This quote IMO says it all:

One need only travel through the Middle East and talk to the people in local cafes and markets to understand that Barack Obama's candidacy is in fact bringing hope and excitement to the Muslim world. I have been living and studying in Cairo, but have also traveled to Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Turkey and the Palestinian territories. Without exception, when I reveal myself to be American I am met with enthusiastic cheers of, "Obama! Obama!". It's not about whether or not he is or was a Muslim, it's about putting an end to George Bush's foreign policy, which has wreaked havoc on this region. In the Middle East, people believe Barack Obama is the man for that job.

— Rafaela, Cairo

An Obama presidency would be an unmitigated disaster. His election WILL be seen as surrender and submission to this loathsome "religion".

[Excellence]

At the very least, that would complicate the security planning of state visits by President Obama to Muslim countries, because the very act of protecting him would be sinful for Islamic security guards. More broadly, most citizens of the Islamic world would be horrified by the fact of Senator Obama’s conversion to Christianity once it became widely known — as it would, no doubt, should he win the White House.

That might actually be a good thing. Maybe it would wake the useful idiots up to the reality of Islam.

[redstateconfidential]

If Obama Hussein’s Christianity is Jeremiahs Wright’s Christianity, and wife Michelle’s Christianity , I think our churchs have failed miserably in defining Christianity and are guilty of the kind of judgment reserved for end times. Apostasy , blasphemy and sucking at the teat of the whore of Babylon.(Oh, I could go on about who that is).

[kromike]

Muslims, like liberals, are the foulest of hypocrites.

Clerics smack wanna-be President Girly-Boy for apostasy. Then, if Ears fools enough people on November 2nd, those very same clerics will...surprise-surprise-surprise...suddenly find Queeran excerpts that excuse his sin.

The only "religion" that Muslims and liberals truly believe in is raw political power. And they'll gleefully embrace hypocrisy to get it because they know they'll never be challenged on it.

[FES0844]

“by their fruits you will know them”

[shrinkermd]

Nietzsche in one of his aphorism from Human All Too Human said, "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies." The Mullahs by the devotion of their faithful breech truth without even trying to lie since what they believe is a lie.

[Wings-n-Wind]

Something to think about.

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Just curioso...

Making a scary assumption from my POV....
If he should become POTUS...
(Spare us in you mercy, Lord!)

Does this mean that the ROP fanatics will issue a fatwa against the "apostate"....
Barack Hus-s-s-s-s-s-e-e-e-e-ein "Osama" Obama
Marching and screaming in the streets of American and foreign cities??
Painting the muzzie circles of death upon his likeness??

Dunno, myself....
Just askin'....

[Cicero]

What I think is that Muslims all over the world are curiously enthusiastic in their support of Obama. Apostate? They don’t seem to think so.

I think this article only uncovers half the problem that is exposed when you turn over that rock.

Is Obama officially a Muslim? Of course. Two or three times over. Is he apostate, then? Well, his Christianity bears a curiously close resemblance to Black Muslim beliefs, and none his Muslim buddies or supporters seem to have a problem with it. Maybe they know something we don’t.

He has already interjected himself into the politics of Kenya, supporting his church-burning, Christian-murdering Muslim cousin Odinga against the duly elected Christian president, and helping to force Odinga into the government even though he lost the vote. Of course our press approves of that, but they haven’t ventured to say much about it, in case it might cause people to wonder.

[New Jersey Realist]

I believe that B. Hussein Obama is, was and always will be a muslim. The proof is right before us. Osama - oops - I mean Obama says he attended Rev Wrong’s church for 20 years and never heard a discouraging word. Of course we don't believe that for one minute. How could he sit there and not hear what the Rev. was spewing out? The answer is quite simple; he didn't sit there! My theory is this: when Obama went to church Sunday's he brought a blow up doll of himself and set it up while he snuck out via a secret tunnel to the muslim mosque down the road. After be prayed to allah he snuck back to the church. PROBLEM SOLVED!

[TexasRedeye]

Obama says his daughters have been "baptized" into the church. If he is "Christian", why has HE not been "baptized"? HMMMMM? Every Christian faith that I know of, requires "baptism" of either sprinkling or immersion to finalize the convert into Christianity publicly.

Also, if this "Muslim by birth" has, in fact, converted to Christianity, he should have a fatwa issued against his life by some radical mullah. So, who is going to inherit the 72 virgins by assassinating this apostate!

[PsyOp]

I have been saying this very thing, here and elsewhere for since he first announced his candidacy.

There really is nothing to think about. Taking Obama at his word that he is a Christian, this makes him, through his parentage, an apostate under sharia law. This requires the death penalty which can be ordered by virtually any imam.

This could be the reason though, that he seems to pander to islamic sympathies and why he donated large sums of money to CAIR. Perhaps he trying to avoid a fatwa, or hopes that Muslims will choose to believe that his conversion was done under duress (allowable if it is not a conversion of the heart), and that he is in fact still a muslim.

Of course, his proclaimed intentions to withdraw troops from Iraq “as soon as possible”, may have other reasons behind it other than a simple desire to end the war.

In any case, this will hang over him in any kind of foreign policy process that involves the middle-east or the larger islamic world.

[neverdem]

BTTT!

[Nahanni]

Barak Hussein Obama is a Moslem.

The only thing that is “Christian” about the “church” that he attends is is the name. It is a political entity. There are many Moslems that attend that “church” and they have adopted Islamofascist beliefs and thought.

[Vanders9]

Ah, the problems that identity politics cause!