But PLEASE let up on the name calling long enough to supply specific instances where the author is in error with any of this!
One of the reasons why the Birchers have always been and will always be considered a lunatic fringe group.
Yup, the Neocons are the trojan horses of the GOP.
To name a few:
Fred Barnes
Bill Kristol
Even though there isn’t a practicing jew among the herd of neos, their shills will soon be screaming “anti-semite.”
Political correctness is part of the neos playbook.
Charles Krauthammer a neoconservative? Not that I’ve ever observed. Unless he is refering to another columnist that I am unaware of.
I see conservatism as something that I’ve made completely my own. I’m a creationist/evolutionist, wishy washy on the death penalty, strong opponent of abortion, favor developing our own oil fields and alternative fuels (minus subsidies), want real results from schools before giving them money, oppose runaway outsourcing of jobs, and am vehemently opposed to illegal immigration.
Bogus argument. There is no solid definition of a neocon. Sometimes its the joooooos (Kristol, Pearl) who promoted war against the arabs, sometimes it’s Bush his blueblood old republican lineage. Sometimes its Cheney and Rummy, who have been center-right republicans since time began, sometimes its the young whipper-snappers like Rich Lowery and Laura Ingraham who grew up as Reagan brats. It’s whatever fits the author’s attempt to demonize who they don’t like.
THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY
(Michael Brown)
Oh we’re meeting at the courthouse at eight o’clock tonight.
You just come in the door and take the first turn to the right.
Be careful when you get there, we’d hate to be bereft,
But we’re taking down the names of everybody turning left.
‘Cause we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society,
Here to save this country from a communistic plot.
We’re the John Birch Society, help us swell the ranks.
To get this movement started, we need lots of tools and cranks.
Now there’s no one that’s certain that the Kremlin doesn’t touch.
We think that Westbrook Pegler doth protest a bit too much.
We only hail the hero from whom we got our name.
We’re not sure what he did, but he’s our hero all the same.
Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Socialism is the “ism” dismalist of all.
Join the John Birch Society, there’s so much to do,
Have you heard they’re serving vodka at the W.C.T.U.
Well you’ve heard about the agents that we’ve already named,
Well M.C.A. has agents that are flatly unashamed,
We’re after Rosie Clooney, we’ve gotten Pinky Lee,
And the day we get Red Skelton won’t that be a victory!
For we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society,
Norman Vincent Peale may think he’s kidding us along,
But the John Birch Society knows he spilled the beans:
He keeps on preaching “brotherhood,” but we know what he means!
We’ll teach you how to spot ‘em in the city or the sticks,
‘Cause even Jasper Junction is just full of Bolsheviks.
The CIA’s subversive, and so’s the FCC.
There’s no one left but thee and we, and we’re not sure of thee.
Oh we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Here to save our country from a Communistic plot.
Join the John Birch Society, holding off the Reds.
We’ll use our hands and hearts, and if we must, we’ll use our heads.
Friends, do you want Justice Warren to be your Commissar?
Do you want Mrs. Khrushchev in there with the DAR?
You cannot trust your neighbors, or even next-of-kin
If mommy is a Commie then you gotta turn her in.
Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Fighting for the right to fight the right fight for the right
Join the John Birch Society, as we’re marching on,
We’ll all be glad to see you when we’re meeting in the John,
In the John, In the John Birch Society!
The Chad Mitchell Trio, Kapp Records #457, 1962
Hard to argue with his description of the origins of Neo-Conservatism. We are now into the second generation of Neo-Conservative leaders. Irving’s son, William, is among the leaders. He is editor of the Weekly Standard, which can sort of be thought of as the official journal of Neo-Conservatism.
I think defining Neo-Conservatism as “New Deal + Aggresive Militarism” is pretty realistic.
The problem is that the Socialists have won. The Constitution Party won’t win 1% of the vote. The only candidate who clearly wasn’t a neo-conservative in this election (on the R side) was Ron Paul.
Ron Paul was widely ridiculed by not just the leftist press, but the so called Conservative New Media (Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt) for his traditional conservative views such as a non-interventionist foreign policy, dislike of the inflationary Federal Reserve system, and desire to end popular social programs and replace them with capitalism.
A real conservative can not be elected in the USA today. So we will continue to get various versions of leftism on both sides: Democratic Socialist vs. Compassionate Conservative (Socialist) Radical Redistributionist Socialist vs. Neo-Conservative (Socialist), Racial Justice Socialist vs. Center Right Democratic Socialist “Maverick” (Socialist).
A former great freeper once said it all:
“Conservatism isn’t dead. It’s pissed off right now -— and that might be a good thing. “
I will say it here and herby throw down the gauntlet to any potential flamers: the best Americans are critically-thinking Americans who carefully, objectively and deliberately assess ALL of the factors relevant to any issue.
I know nothing of John F. McManus. I will neither agree nor disagree with his personal ideals for that reason. But I have always firmly believed that the diligent and conscientious American is morally and ethically constrained to consider all shades of opinion and all sources of data in order to form the most informed conclusion.
That requires effort. The average American hates that word these days. See what we conservatives are up against?
Finally, Dick's preparation for the inevitable haranguing by people who vehemently disagree with his opinion underscores a very sad point: As a general rule, people who abandon reasoned debate and resort to slander and name-calling have usually failed to think critically about an issue and in the end practice the same tactics that the liberals do: name-calling and insults. Such a practice is unbecoming of a true conservative- whose vales speak for themselves.
McGovern's campaign slogan was "come home, America"--about as isolationist a slogan as there ever was.
Well. You are holding out this article as some kind of charter document on neoconservatism, and THIS is your idea of a definition? Would you agree that it is rather...subjective?
The author thinks that our presence in the Middle East is "Adventurism".
Just so you don't accuse me of putting words in his mouth, here is the relevant quote: "...the leaders of the Bush administration, who slavishly follow neocon thinking both domestically and in their foreign-policy adventurism..."
This is the flaw. People who are proponenents of this viewpoint, that we should not be in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Philippines or any other country are quick to label as "neocons" anyone who thinks we DO have valid reasons for being there.
A lot of those people applying that intentionally derogatory appellation to people who disagree with them are the same ones who will scream absolutely the loudest when their gasoline gets scarce, or a terrorist attack occurs.
Personally, I have no use for someone who applies this label to anyone who disagrees with them.
Including the author of this screed.
Neoconservatism . . . dislikes national independence and favors world government under the United Nations.
JOHN BOLTON, AS AN INTERIM APPOINTEE OF THE CURRENT PRESIDENT BUSH AS AMBASSADOR TO THE UN, MUST THEREFORE BE A “NEOCON,” YET DOES HE FAVOR WORLD GOVERNMENT UNDER THE UN?
But PLEASE let up on the name calling long enough to supply specific instances where the author is in error with any of this!
OK, THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
If you love America for its history of limited government and strict independence, you have to realize that neoconservatives are your enemy. And you have to realize that the current administration is replete with un-American neoconservatism.
THIS IS A QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE. WHO’S DOING THE NAME-CALLING (”UN-AMERICAN”)?
If 218 members of the House refuse to vote to fund foreign aid, the UN, undeclared wars, education, housing, and so much more, that’s it. There’s nothing the Senate, the President, the Supreme Court, or The New York Times can do about it. The House is where the effort of concerned Americans ought to be directed.
THAT’S CORRECT, NEEDLESS TO SAY, ABOUT THE HOUSE’S POWER OF THE PURSE. HOWEVER, IF MCMANUS THINKS THAT THE NEW YORK TIMES - AT LEAST OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS UNDER THE LATEST SULZBERGER (”PINCH”)- IS AN ADVOCATE OF THE “NEOCON AGENDA,” THEN HE IS (TO SAY THE LEAST) VERY OUT OF TOUCH.
The alliance between Buckley and a host of neoconservatives grew deeper and deeper.
IINM, BUCKLEY OPPOSED THE WAR IN IRAQ FROM THE BEGINNING.
I thought this had already been decided. Neoconservatives are jewish. Paleoconservatives are nazi’s. At least, that’s what the MSM says.
Both parties are corrupt to the core and will defame and destroy any who attempt to take them down. You see it on this very forum when party stooges come out to label men like Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, and Allen Keyes as kooks and nutjobs. It is not enough to say they disagree on certain points with these men - no they seek to ridicule, devalue, and destroy them. Don't dare challenge the power elite, don't stand for anything, just fall in line and become another party flunky and stooge is what they are telling us.
So what do patriots do about it? We wait for the opportunity to take back at least part of the nation, and most definitely we don't give comfort to the major parties. And certainly we must pray that there are more of us out there than we know. Maybe the fallout from the coming presidential election will give freedom loving Americans a direction to follow.
Which, according to Ron Paul and some here on FR, includes those who were/are in favor of the Iraq war. :::shrug:::
Now, of course, the area is filled with former philly residents. A shame.
I always heard of a real kookyness about the Birchers, but, in fact, I never saw it in real life, just reading mostly MSM reports about them, which I see in retrospect, were hatchet jobs portraying them as nuts.
Their two big points at the time were:
1) Get the US out of the UN and the the UN out of the US.
2) Get liberal communist doctrine out of our schools and government.
What Conservative here argues with either of those two points?
He’s partly right. Neocons are Big Government types and that is NOT conservative.
but when people like this use “neoconservative” in a negative way, they INVARIABLY mean “Jews.”
And his kind of “conservatives” have no regard for national security. Tehy really are isolationaists, and that is neither practical nor desirable.
You can make a case, as many do, that our international involvements, especially where troops are concerned, should be only in the protection of clear national interest. That’s a different thing from isolationism.
We must take the measures necessary to crush the terrorists who threaten us. That so many paleos fail to see this is disturbing.
There is a place between the neos and the paleos. It’s called conservatism. It rests on economic freedom, constitutionalism, strong defense, and traditional values.