Posted on 05/06/2008 8:59:30 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
But PLEASE let up on the name calling long enough to supply specific instances where the author is in error with any of this!
One of the reasons why the Birchers have always been and will always be considered a lunatic fringe group.
Yup, the Neocons are the trojan horses of the GOP.
To name a few:
Fred Barnes
Bill Kristol
Even though there isn’t a practicing jew among the herd of neos, their shills will soon be screaming “anti-semite.”
Political correctness is part of the neos playbook.
Charles Krauthammer a neoconservative? Not that I’ve ever observed. Unless he is refering to another columnist that I am unaware of.
GIVE US SPECIFICS RE. ERRORS IN HIS REMARKS!!
Name calling won’t get it this time.
I am the granfather of 6 kids who will live as serfs to the state.
There is far too much at stake
I see conservatism as something that I’ve made completely my own. I’m a creationist/evolutionist, wishy washy on the death penalty, strong opponent of abortion, favor developing our own oil fields and alternative fuels (minus subsidies), want real results from schools before giving them money, oppose runaway outsourcing of jobs, and am vehemently opposed to illegal immigration.
Bogus argument. There is no solid definition of a neocon. Sometimes its the joooooos (Kristol, Pearl) who promoted war against the arabs, sometimes it’s Bush his blueblood old republican lineage. Sometimes its Cheney and Rummy, who have been center-right republicans since time began, sometimes its the young whipper-snappers like Rich Lowery and Laura Ingraham who grew up as Reagan brats. It’s whatever fits the author’s attempt to demonize who they don’t like.
BTW, I suspect you will have trouble finding those “errors.”
The speed with which you responded would almost certainly indicate that you DID NOT READ THE SPEECH!
Clever boy, you imported it into Word and searched for “Birch,” didn’t you. And that’s ALL you had to see.
THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY
(Michael Brown)
Oh we’re meeting at the courthouse at eight o’clock tonight.
You just come in the door and take the first turn to the right.
Be careful when you get there, we’d hate to be bereft,
But we’re taking down the names of everybody turning left.
‘Cause we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society,
Here to save this country from a communistic plot.
We’re the John Birch Society, help us swell the ranks.
To get this movement started, we need lots of tools and cranks.
Now there’s no one that’s certain that the Kremlin doesn’t touch.
We think that Westbrook Pegler doth protest a bit too much.
We only hail the hero from whom we got our name.
We’re not sure what he did, but he’s our hero all the same.
Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Socialism is the “ism” dismalist of all.
Join the John Birch Society, there’s so much to do,
Have you heard they’re serving vodka at the W.C.T.U.
Well you’ve heard about the agents that we’ve already named,
Well M.C.A. has agents that are flatly unashamed,
We’re after Rosie Clooney, we’ve gotten Pinky Lee,
And the day we get Red Skelton won’t that be a victory!
For we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society,
Norman Vincent Peale may think he’s kidding us along,
But the John Birch Society knows he spilled the beans:
He keeps on preaching “brotherhood,” but we know what he means!
We’ll teach you how to spot ‘em in the city or the sticks,
‘Cause even Jasper Junction is just full of Bolsheviks.
The CIA’s subversive, and so’s the FCC.
There’s no one left but thee and we, and we’re not sure of thee.
Oh we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Here to save our country from a Communistic plot.
Join the John Birch Society, holding off the Reds.
We’ll use our hands and hearts, and if we must, we’ll use our heads.
Friends, do you want Justice Warren to be your Commissar?
Do you want Mrs. Khrushchev in there with the DAR?
You cannot trust your neighbors, or even next-of-kin
If mommy is a Commie then you gotta turn her in.
Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Fighting for the right to fight the right fight for the right
Join the John Birch Society, as we’re marching on,
We’ll all be glad to see you when we’re meeting in the John,
In the John, In the John Birch Society!
The Chad Mitchell Trio, Kapp Records #457, 1962
Hard to argue with his description of the origins of Neo-Conservatism. We are now into the second generation of Neo-Conservative leaders. Irving’s son, William, is among the leaders. He is editor of the Weekly Standard, which can sort of be thought of as the official journal of Neo-Conservatism.
I think defining Neo-Conservatism as “New Deal + Aggresive Militarism” is pretty realistic.
The problem is that the Socialists have won. The Constitution Party won’t win 1% of the vote. The only candidate who clearly wasn’t a neo-conservative in this election (on the R side) was Ron Paul.
Ron Paul was widely ridiculed by not just the leftist press, but the so called Conservative New Media (Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt) for his traditional conservative views such as a non-interventionist foreign policy, dislike of the inflationary Federal Reserve system, and desire to end popular social programs and replace them with capitalism.
A real conservative can not be elected in the USA today. So we will continue to get various versions of leftism on both sides: Democratic Socialist vs. Compassionate Conservative (Socialist) Radical Redistributionist Socialist vs. Neo-Conservative (Socialist), Racial Justice Socialist vs. Center Right Democratic Socialist “Maverick” (Socialist).
Gee, THAT was brilliant.
If you can unplug your Ipod and switch off American Idol long enough, do try to conjure an ORIGINAL THOUGHT just this once.
There’s a nation at stake here, funny man.
CITE SPECIFIC ERRORS IN THE SPEECH!
Start with line one, and work your way to the end. that about covers it.
Tancredo and Hunter both support our “foreign adventurism” against the terrorists and they are more conservative then the entire membership of the John Birch Society combined, and not “neo” in any way, shape or form.
Militant socialists is all they are.
As I explained in my previous posting NeoCon is no longer a little side movement of Conservatism, it's the main stream. The old-school Conservatives are the odd remnant, and not taken seriously.
No one except you brought up "the Jews". It is a silly attempt to attach a bogus charge of anti-semitism to those of us who are critical of aspects of neo-conservatism. Many prominant critics of Neo-Conservatism are also Jews.
Stop stirring the pot to create confusion and address the article, please.
He's not giving us facts.
He is giving us a list of highly-tendentious suppositions about people based on unsourced snippets of quotes.
Name calling won’t get it this time.
The article you posted is essentially one long exercise in name-calling: "Everyone who does not tow the Bircher/CP line is a socialist!"
I am the granfather of 6 kids who will live as serfs to the state.
Good thing your grandkids are not drama queens like yourself.
There is far too much at stake
To be led down conspiracy-mongering rabbit holes by Birchers? Absolutely.
While there is a sad truth in your observation, I’d remind you and those reading this thread that a “communist” is simply a “socialist” who owns and enjoys using a firearm — on other human beings.
Think for a moment about your remarks in the context of where we go once these elitists have taken away OUR weapons — and/or neutralized our abilty to resist them with them — and the state has the only weapons.
Ask the Jews of Europe — or the Ukranians under Stalin — or...
You get the idea.
All of that begs the question “DARE WE STOP RESISTING THEM?”
SPECIFICS instead of NAME CALLING!
More brilliance from wideawake.
Suggest you change your screen name to “fastasleep.”
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