Posted on 05/01/2008 4:32:09 PM PDT by clodkicker
"Optimal Blend" Is Likely E20 or E30; Coalition Calls for Further Government Research
SIOUX FALLS, S.D., Dec. 5 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Research findings released today show that mid-range ethanol blends--fuel mixtures with more ethanol than E10 but less than E85--can in some cases provide better fuel economy than regular unleaded gasoline, even in standard, non-flex-fuel vehicles.
Previous assumptions held that ethanol's lower energy content directly correlates with lower fuel economy for drivers. Those assumptions were found to be incorrect. Instead, the new research strongly suggests that there is an "optimal blend level" of ethanol and gasoline--most likely E20 or E30--at which cars will get better mileage than predicted based strictly on the fuel's per-gallon Btu content. The new study, cosponsored by the U.S. Department of Energy and the American Coalition for Ethanol (ACE), also found that mid-range ethanol blends reduce harmful tailpipe emissions.
(Excerpt) Read more at motortrend.com ...
My reaction is “Well.... duh!”
Once again, some of the facts on ethanol turn out to be rather otherwise from the “conventional wisdom.”
Ehanol ping.
Archer Daniels Midland owns North and South Dakota.
This sort of flies in the face of this posted a little earlier today:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2009906/posts
Follow the money, follow the money.. I think I'll call BS on this one.
great more studies
how about a 20 year bipartisan commison
This is all pro-oil company b.s.!
Everyone knows that ethanol is a joke, that it takes far more energy and costs more to create it than is worth its use.
We need the corn for food! Stop ethonal production in the U.S. NOW!!
Instead, the new research strongly suggests that there is an "optimal blend level" of ethanol and gasoline--most likely E20 or E30--at which cars will get better mileage than predicted based strictly on the fuel's per-gallon Btu content.
There is not one word in that sentence to prove are even come up with a dumb statement that ethanol, in any amount will get better millage than gas.
The actually statement is strongly suggest, means nothing, and better mileage than predicted is the same meaningless phrase.
Yes a professor looking for a grant nothing more.
“I think I’ll call BS on this one.”
You base that statement on having read the study?
OR
You are a Combustion Engineer?
OR
You didn’t like the color of paper the article was printed?
We appreciate you considered opinion.
Lurking’
Now just how many billions in third world country do you propose we starve to death to use subsidized corn products.
If you were really interested in the availability of motor fuel, you would champion domestic drilling - but NO you are more interested in being "green" so you are popular at the automobilia cocktail circuits.
Non-corn ethanol
No have a minor as a mechanical engineer!
Drag racing was a hobby of mine, In short I know how to make horse power. The last time I heard that was BTU's.
The results from Ferrari’s F430 show results that show a) increased HP and b) increased mileage, when running E-85 as opposed to the same engine running straight gasoline. Actual results. Ferrari is undoubtedly running a higher than normal compression ratio than the typical slothful 9.5:1 that most American cars run, but what Ferrari clearly shows is that we could be getting more efficiency out of an Otto-cycle engine than we’re getting - if only we weren’t burning this donkey urine that the refineries are passing off as gasoline.
Ferrari’s results entirely consistent with thermodynamics.
Increased mileage on E20 on conventional cars are entirely possible and consistent with what I’ve observed about conventional gasoline and modern engines.
Drive a modern US car around with a monitor plugged into your OBD-II port sometime. Have a look at how far your ignition timing is retarded.
The results won’t be consistent across all cars, but there are plenty of cars running real crap for gasoline and as a result running high angles of ignition retard. Ethanol, with an octane of 129, is a big octane booster and will allow the car to advance the timing without pre-detonation being detected, which increases fuel economy and power in an Otto-cycle engine.
The results aren’t inconsistent or running contrary to what is possible or what I’d expect.
Sadly, it now seems that the majority of Americans want to shove their fingers in their ears and not listen to anything as they shout “I want my gasoline-sucking V-8!”
I do not believe this report. Even if it is true, I do not want to put ethanol in my tank. The ethanol boosters should renounce corporate welfare (subsidies, mandates, and import tariffs) and let the consumer decide if ethanol is a viable substitute.
I am dreaming. The ethanol boosters are deeply wedded to corporate welfare. They will never renounce the outrageous corporate welfare.
I thought Ted Turner did.
So... when are you going to hold the conventional oil companies to the same standards?
Or the entire alternative electrical generation industry, such as solar, wind, geothermal, etc?
Or the US auto companies themselves? (eg, Chrysler and their bail-out in the 80’s)
How ‘bout the steel industry in the US (given import tariffs by Bush)?
Do you bank or trade with i-banks or money center banks that are taking loans from the Fed because they screwed themselves with their absurd levels of leverage?
Or is this just your personal little grievance against only ethanol?
Not to mention that it is simple a massive welfare bump for farmers - at our expense in several different ways.
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