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National Socialism NAZI(Or why Coservatives are not, but Liberals are)
Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | 9/28/1998 | Ralph Reiland

Posted on 04/28/2008 4:36:05 PM PDT by stockpirate

It was common in those days, as it is in ours, to identify the Communists as leftist and the Nazis as rightists, as if they stood on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. But Mises knew differently. They both sported the same ideological pedigree of socialism. "The German and Russian systems of socialism have in common the fact that the government has full control of the means of production. It decides what shall be produced and how. It allots to each individual a share of consumer's goods for his consumption."

The difference between the systems, wrote Mises, is that the German pattern "maintains private ownership of the means of production and keeps the appearance of ordinary prices, wages, and markets." But in fact the government directs production decisions, curbs entrepreneurship and the labor market, and determines wages and interest rates by central authority. "Market exchange," says Mises, "is only a sham."

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Philosophy; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: liberals; nazi
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I think if one reads this they will find out something very interesting.

Do you see which party we are fighting?

1 posted on 04/28/2008 4:36:06 PM PDT by stockpirate
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To: stockpirate

Yeah. Both of them.


2 posted on 04/28/2008 4:38:33 PM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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“Through contacts with German business owners, Reimann documented how the “monster machine” of the Nazis crushed the autonomy of the private sector through onerous regulations, harsh inspections, and the threat of confiscatory fines for petty offenses.

“Industrialists were visited by state auditors who had strict orders to examine the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company or individual businessman for the preceding two, three or more years until some error or false entry was found,” explains Reimann. “The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error.”

Reimann quotes from a businessman’s letter: “You have no idea how far state control goes and how much power the Nazi representatives have over our work. The worst of it is that they are so ignorant. These Nazi radicals think of nothing except ‘distributing the wealth.’ Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.”

What we are really fighting in the US now IMHO.


3 posted on 04/28/2008 4:40:07 PM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: stockpirate

4 posted on 04/28/2008 4:41:11 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs to said?)
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To: stockpirate
The political spectrum has always been misrepresented by leftists.

Correctly broken out, you have pure individual freedom unencumbered by any organization on the far right, and state control over the individual on the far left.

Its really that simple.

I don't particularly think the far right is perfection, but I think perfection is in that neighborhood.

5 posted on 04/28/2008 4:41:18 PM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: stockpirate

America will never be a truly free capitalist country until labor unious are made illegal. Unions are a constraint on the market and make it impossible for America to compete with our foreign competitors because they artifically inflate the cost of American labor.


6 posted on 04/28/2008 4:42:25 PM PDT by FFranco
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sample, as an typical bitter white person I think you are correct!


7 posted on 04/28/2008 4:42:49 PM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: FFranco

I think that is in fact one of the problems.


8 posted on 04/28/2008 4:43:53 PM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: stockpirate

I’ve known this for a while. But it’s good to spread the gospel.


9 posted on 04/28/2008 4:44:02 PM PDT by benjamin032
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To: stockpirate

More from the article:

“While state representatives are busily engaged in investigating and interfering, our agents and salesmen are handicapped because they never know whether or not a sale at a higher price will mean denunciation as a ‘profiteer’ or ‘saboteur,’ followed by a prison sentence. You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain. Everywhere there is a growing undercurrent of bitterness. Everyone has his doubts about the system, unless he is very young, very stupid, or is bound to it by the privileges he enjoys.

“There are terrible times coming. If only I had succeeded in smuggling out $10,000 or even $5,000, I would leave Germany with my family. Business friends of mine are convinced that it will be the turn of the ‘white Jews’ (which means us, Aryan businessmen) after the Jews have been expropriated. The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that we are still independent businessmen.”


10 posted on 04/28/2008 4:45:00 PM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: Admin Moderator

Please correct my spelling in the title, and I promise not to type without the lights on again.


11 posted on 04/28/2008 4:46:31 PM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: benjamin032

“I’ve known this for a while.”

read my about me pafge to see what I was up to when Kerry ran. I read all 12,000 pages of the FBUI files on the VVAW


12 posted on 04/28/2008 4:48:00 PM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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The National Socialist Liberal Democratic Party

They believe in the national government, they are socialist, liberal and Democrats.

Sounds like a nice name to me.


13 posted on 04/28/2008 4:48:54 PM PDT by Nextrush (MCCAIN, OBAMA, CLINTON......WHAT A CHOICE?)
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The National Socialist Liberal Democratic Peoples Party

there I made it sound nicer.


14 posted on 04/28/2008 4:50:41 PM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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"Do you see which party we are fighting?"

Two factions of one party:

The Deep Socialists (Dem)

Socialism Light (Repub)

15 posted on 04/28/2008 4:55:38 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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"Everyone has his doubts about the system, unless he is very young, very stupid, or is bound to it by the privileges he enjoys."

Sounds like the Democrats right now. Young and stupid are Obama voters and NEA, state/county/federal workers, elderly, welfare, farmers, trial lawyers are privileged for Hillary.

16 posted on 04/28/2008 4:55:47 PM PDT by Leisler
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I think the writter hit the nail on the head.


17 posted on 04/28/2008 4:57:23 PM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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A liitle more from the article:

“Says another businessman: “Each business move has become very complicated and is full of legal traps which the average businessman cannot determine because there are so many new decrees. All of us in business are constantly in fear of being penalized for the violation of some decree or law.”

Business owners, explains another entrepreneur, cannot exist without a “collaborator,” i.e., a “lawyer” with good contacts in the Nazi bureaucracy, one who “knows exactly how far you can circumvent the law.” Nazi officials, explains Reimann, “obtain money for themselves by merely taking it from capitalists who have funds available with which to purchase influence and protection,” paying for their protection “as did the helpless peasants of feudal days.”


18 posted on 04/28/2008 4:58:26 PM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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"Officials, trained only to obey orders, have neither the desire, the equipment, nor the vision to modify rules to suit individual situations," Reimann explains. "The state bureaucrats, therefore, apply these laws rigidly and mechanically, without regard for the vital interests of essential parts of the national economy. Their only incentive to modify the letter of the law is in bribes from businessmen, who for their part use bribery as their only means of obtaining relief from a rigidity which they find crippling."

Says another businessman: "Each business move has become very complicated and is full of legal traps which the average businessman cannot determine because there are so many new decrees. All of us in business are constantly in fear of being penalized for the violation of some decree or law."

Business owners, explains another entrepreneur, cannot exist without a "collaborator," i.e., a "lawyer" with good contacts in the Nazi bureaucracy, one who "knows exactly how far you can circumvent the law." Nazi officials, explains Reimann, "obtain money for themselves by merely taking it from capitalists who have funds available with which to purchase influence and protection," paying for their protection "as did the helpless peasants of feudal days."

He's taliking about buisness life in present day Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey......

19 posted on 04/28/2008 5:49:39 PM PDT by Leisler
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And let us not forget that Hitler was a duly elected head of government.


20 posted on 04/28/2008 6:07:28 PM PDT by zebra 2
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