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1 posted on 04/24/2008 1:15:40 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

read later


2 posted on 04/24/2008 1:25:57 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: neverdem
True, but it's so transparent a theft that few thinking people are taken in by Soros's appropriation of Popper's phrase.

FWIW, I'm not so sure Popper got much from Bergson. They came out of very different traditions.

3 posted on 04/24/2008 1:27:43 PM PDT by x
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To: neverdem

I always thought Plato’s desire to ban a book or two was wrong.


4 posted on 04/24/2008 1:28:59 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: neverdem

this is the kind of stuff that saddens me. The scientific method is how we learn and discover whether it is applied informally as children comparing things or formally as researchers designing experiments.

The process of cricizing experiments can be part of intellectual pursuit for pure emotional vendetta with no rational basis. Either way can still produce better science, and better insights into the natural world.

Falsifiability simply means “Oops, my hypothesis appears to be wrong. Back to the drawing board.” Somehow, falsifiability also presumes some kind of precision about what is being claimed. Reality, especially biological reality, is a whole lot messier than that. A colleague and I could never figure why we could never get within 25% of each other’s enzyme assay measures. We stood side by side, using the same equipment, reagents and preparative methods, and still we could not agree on the measure. So, where is the falsifiability in that?

Attempts to hi jack science for one point of view or another will always fail, unless the science is right. But falsifiability is supposed to always leave you in a state of “provisionalism” that accepts nothing as a final answer.

So, I don’t get the gentleman’s discussion other than to say, we will always be second-guessing our selves.


5 posted on 04/24/2008 1:39:23 PM PDT by bioqubit
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To: neverdem
With junk like this being published is it any wonder that conservatives and Republicans are accused of being anti-science?

(And my horse is far better looking than his!)

6 posted on 04/24/2008 1:47:02 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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Unfortunately, The Logic of Scientific Discovery has been as much stolen by the scientific establishment as The Open Society and Its Enemies has been stolen by George Soros. As Popper recounts in Unended Quest, he created his famous philosophy of science in reaction to Marx, Freud, and Alfred Adler, another psychoanalyst, whose advocates found confirmation of their views in everything that happened, no matter how much it contradicted their theories, much as global warming hysterics find justification in both hot and cold weather and in both floods and droughts. The Left is fond of making predictions, not so fond of checking up on them.

It was the perversion of the scientific method for left-wing political gain that first grabbed my interest in the Anthropogenic Global Warming™ scam.

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

11 posted on 04/24/2008 3:56:08 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: neverdem

PING for intellectual read.


12 posted on 04/24/2008 4:12:20 PM PDT by WOSG (Gameplan: Obama beats Hillary, McCain beats Obama, conservatives beat RINOs)
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To: neverdem
Strauss and Vogelin discuss Popper, a "thief of Bergson":
Leo Strauss: May I ask you to let me know sometime what you think of Mr. Popper. He gave a lecture here, on the task of social philosophy, that was beneath contempt: it was the most washed-out, lifeless positivism trying to whistle in the dark, linked to a complete inability to think "rationally," although it passed itself off as "rationalism"--it was very bad. I cannot imagine reading, and yet it appears to be a professional duty to become familiar with his productions. Could you say something to me about that--if you wish, I will keep it to myself.

Dear Mr. Strauss, The opportunity to speak a few deeply felt words about Karl Popper to a kindred soul is too golden to endure a long delay. This Popper has been for years, not exactly a stone against which one stumbles, but a troublesome pebble that I must continually nudge from the path, in that he is constantly pushed upon me by people who insist that his work on the "open society and its enemies" is one of the social science masterpieces of our times. This insistence persuaded me to read the work even though I would otherwise not have touched it. You are quite right to say that it is a vocational duty to make ourselves familiar with the ideas of such a work when they lie in our field; I would hold out against this duty the other vocational duty, not to write and to publish such a work. In that Popper violated this elementary vocational duty and stole several hours of my lifetime, which I devoted in fulfilling my vocational duty, I feel completely justified in saying without reservation that this book is impudent, dilettantish crap. Every single sentence is a scandal, but it is still possible to lift out a few main annoyances.

1. The expressions "closed [society]" and "open society" are taken from Bergson's Deux Sources. Without explaining the difficulties that induced Bergson to create these concepts, Popper takes the terms because they sound good to him[he] comments in passing that in Bergson they had a "religious" meaning, but that he will use the concept of the open society closer to Graham Walas's "great society" or that of Walter Lippmann. Perhaps I am oversensitive about such things, but I do not believe that respectable philosophers such as Bergson develop their concepts for the sole purpose that the coffeehouse scum might have something to botch. There also arises the relevant problem: if Bergson's theory of open society is philosphically and historically tenable (which I in fact believe), then Popper's idea of the open society is ideological rubbish . . .

2. The impertinent disregard for the achievements in his particular problem area, which makes itself evident with respect to Bergson, runs through the whole work. When one reads the deliberations on Plato or Hegel, one has the impression that Popper is quite unfamiliar with the literature on the subject--even though he occasionally cites an author. In some cases, as for example Hegel, I would believe that he has never seen a work like Rosenzweig's Hegel and the State. In other cases, where he cites works without appearing to have perceived their contents, another factor is added:

3. Popper is philosophically so uncultured, so fully a primitive ideological brawler, that he is not able even approximately to reproduce correctly the contents of one page of Plato. Reading is of no use to him; he is too lacking in knowledge to understand what the author says. Through this emerge terrible things, as when he translates Hegel's "Germanic world" as "German world" and draws conclusions form this mistranslation regarding Hegel's German nationalist propaganda.

. . . Briefly and in sum: Popper's book is a scandal without extenuating circumstances; in its intellectual attitude it is the typical product of a failed intellectual; spiritually one would have to use expressions like rascally, impertinent, loutish; in terms of technical competence, as a piece in the history of thought, it is dilettantish, and as a result is worthless.

It would not be suitable to show this letter to the unqualified. Where it concerns its factual contents, I would see it as a violation of the vocational duty you identified, to support this scandal through silence.


14 posted on 04/24/2008 10:16:41 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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the Open Society Institute embodies Popper's idea of an open society the way the German Democratic Republic (East Germany) embodied democracy... Popper's The Open Society and Its Enemies was aimed at Marx, Hegel, Plato and his philosopher kings, and their anti-democratic successors, such as George Soros.
Thanks neverdem.
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