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Mormon children held for DNA tests
Malaysia Sun ^ | 4/19/08

Posted on 04/19/2008 4:01:13 AM PDT by ansel12

416 children from a US religious sect have been ordered by a Texan judge to undergo DNA tests.

They will be held until the tests are completed to determine who their parents are.

The authorities removed the children along with around 130 women after receiving reports that girls as young as 13 were forced to marry.

The children are members of a breakaway polygamist sect of the Mormon Church called the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

The group is one of the largest Mormon breakaway groups with nearly 10,000 members.

It was formed in the 1930's and has recently been run by Warren Jeffs, who was forced to resign in November after being sentenced to ten years to life on charges of being an accomplice to rape.

His father, who also led the group, reportedly had 20 wives and around 60 children.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cult; dna; flds; jeffs; mormon; polygamy; texas
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1 posted on 04/19/2008 4:01:14 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Love the headline!


2 posted on 04/19/2008 4:04:26 AM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ansel12

I have to say, I am no polygamist, nor Mormon but I don’t see the legal or ethical justification for harassing these people. As a physician I see women everyday who have several children all by different fathers who have “come and gone” so to speak. I don’t see legally how this is any different, really.


3 posted on 04/19/2008 4:09:55 AM PDT by wastoute
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To: ansel12
That DNA will be look the same as a litter of puppies- a very big litter.

Finding unrelated husbands for all those future wifes would be a serious problem. They would have to find husbands from other polygamist Mormon groups elsewhere in the country, probably from that clan in Alberta, although they are related to Warren Jeffs as well I believe.

If not, they next generation will all be wearing glasses; they will find themselves having the same inbreeding problems some Hutterite colonies had a few decades ago

4 posted on 04/19/2008 4:17:30 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: wastoute

Is it required that you inform the law about underage girls who you suspect are being sexually abused?

Just wondered.


5 posted on 04/19/2008 4:20:16 AM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: wastoute
As a physician you should know genetic defects increase from inbreeding.

If you can't see the moral issues, that shows how eroded your morals have become. Not that you are any different from a lot of Americans these days.

Politically, the medical costs treating and correcting these problems would become a serious problem and burden on the taxpayers.

6 posted on 04/19/2008 4:23:37 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: wastoute

You must have one of those “spiritual” medical degrees.

I’m going to the bank today and making a “spiritual” deposit of counterfeit dollar bills.

Tomorrow, I shall “spirit” an automobile off the sales lot and fill out a “spiritual” title to it.

Praise the Lord!


7 posted on 04/19/2008 4:25:39 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: colorcountry

anyone following the money that supports this lifestyle?


8 posted on 04/19/2008 4:30:14 AM PDT by FES0844 (FES0844)
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To: FES0844

It has been reported that the women claim single motherhood and collect welfare. Those records have to be in the Court’s possession. It’s possible there may very well be a case of welfare fraud that they are trying to hide. Maybe different “mothers” have been claiming the same children as dependents over and over.

If true, that will blow the whole case wide open.


9 posted on 04/19/2008 4:34:28 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: wastoute
"I have to say, I am no polygamist, nor Mormon but I don’t see the legal or ethical justification for harassing these people. As a physician I see women everyday who have several children all by different fathers who have “come and gone” so to speak. I don’t see legally how this is any different, really.

Personally, I think that it is the child rape part of it that they are obsessed with. But I am a layman so who knows?

10 posted on 04/19/2008 4:35:07 AM PDT by ansel12 (FLDS supporters, at least pretend to be repulsed by the child rape that has been proved.)
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To: wastoute
"I don’t see the legal or ethical justification for harassing these people."

Plus there is the fact as it came out in court that these female children are forced to marry old men at ages as young as 10 years old. The legal age of consent is 16 in this country.

Medically, girls having babies at too young an age can cause serious and permanent disabilities, on those that survive that is.

11 posted on 04/19/2008 4:35:34 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: FES0844

****anyone following the money that supports this lifestyle?***

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/13/886162.aspx?p=1

By Tim Sandler, NBC News Investigative Unit (excerpt)

“””As a child-abuse investigation continues at a polygamous compound in Texas, NBC News has learned who helped fund the controversial sect.

It was the U.S. Department of Defense.

Freedom of Information Act documents obtained by NBC News show that the Pentagon awarded contracts of at least $1.5 million to two Utah-based companies owned and operated by senior officials of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or FLDS. The contracts, issued from 1998 to 2006, were for aircraft parts and other military equipment.

The Pentagon contracts were awarded to Utah Tool & Die and Western Precision, Inc., which operated in Utah. The president of Western Precision was Wendell Nielsen, described in multiple media accounts as a senior official in the FLDS religious sect, whose West Texas compound was raided by police earlier this month as part of a wide-ranging child-abuse investigation. Neilsen disappeared with church leader Warren Jeffs after Jeffs was put on the FBI’s 10 Most Wanted list in 2003. Jeffs, the sect’s “prophet,” was convicted last year on two counts of rape as an accomplice.

The records show that Western Precision continued to receive government contracts even after the well-publicized manhunt. And when Jeffs was captured in 2006, he was riding in an SUV registered to John C. Wayman, another Western Precision executive.””


12 posted on 04/19/2008 4:40:35 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Kansas is now the partial birth abortion capitol of KS. Our governor used to justify her campaign contributions from the abortionist by saying that he was helping “12-year-olds who had been raped by their uncles”. When the AG tried to investigate statutory rape, our governor declared that these cases were off limits, and now calls these situations “Romeo and Juliet”.


13 posted on 04/19/2008 4:43:28 AM PDT by Kanzan
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To: wastoute
I have to say, I am no polygamist, nor Mormon but I don’t see the legal or ethical justification for harassing these people. As a physician I see women everyday who have several children all by different fathers who have “come and gone” so to speak. I don’t see legally how this is any different, really.

A very commonsensical statement.

Be prepared to be baked, roasted and broiled for it as long as this thread is active.

Regards,
MamaTexan

14 posted on 04/19/2008 4:46:12 AM PDT by MamaTexan (**Defending someone's Constitutional rights DOESN'T equate with agreeing with what they do!**)
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To: Nathan Zachary; wastoute

If you can’t see the moral issues, that shows how eroded your morals have become. Not that you are any different from a lot of Americans these days.

...and just what moral issues are we talking about?

You mean the ones local, state and federal governments have been precipitating and tolerating for over fifty years, those moral issues.

Physician heal thyself.

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15 posted on 04/19/2008 4:46:20 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: wastoute
I don’t see legally how this is any different, really.

Try having the right to choose. Do you think a 16 year old girl who is mother to 4 children is a choice she would have made?

Are you a male physician?

16 posted on 04/19/2008 4:47:37 AM PDT by lonestar
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To: sodpoodle

Borrowing children for welfare purposes is done quite a bit. As for women who have children by different “spouses”, it’s a well known fact, so what’s the Dr’s beef? It’s all for money.


17 posted on 04/19/2008 4:49:35 AM PDT by tillacum
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To: MamaTexan; wastoute

Be prepared

Too late.


18 posted on 04/19/2008 4:50:52 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: MamaTexan

I would expect any physician treating a pregnant 14 year-old would report that fact to Child Protective Services. In fact, that would be required under most State Laws.

That does not mean the parents of the child lose their Constitutional rights - but the child also has rights.

Rights and responsibilities - go hand in hand.


19 posted on 04/19/2008 4:54:32 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: lonestar

Try having the right to choose. Do you think a 16 year old girl who is mother to 4 children is a choice she would have made?

Are you in the inner circle to know all there is to know and have the names and ages of all those who have born children, and last but not least, what business is it of yours, besides moral outrage without much proof.

I have stated many times, I just love the court of public opinion, where you can get a conviction with the speed of light.


20 posted on 04/19/2008 4:57:41 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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