Posted on 04/11/2008 10:08:35 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Yes they do.
All I need is a valid US passport to visit Canada or Mexico at any time I want. I can apply for a job in either country and receive a work visa - and eventually a residency document - in either country. The employment part is more difficult in Mexico depending on what job you're trying to get, but if a professional firm in Mexico City wanted to interview me for a position, I could be in their offices tomorrow, no problem.
Border controls are for keeping out criminals, the insane, the communicably diseased and people whose presence alerts suspicion.
It isn't for keeping out normal people who want to visit or work.
Balderdash. It's time Americans victimized by alien invaders have OUR rights enforced by federal law. The SPLC knows what it can do with its nonsensical blathering.
Clearly, latino invaders, MS-13 gangs, and their cadres of co-conspirators are (a) publicly and privately conspiring against the US government and (b) committing hate crimes against America and Americans.
Anyone who spews hate and discontent about OUR country, who marches in mobs, holds up hate signs, and publicly proclaims they will violate US law, shall be penalized (and shall be excluded from holding US citizenship).
It's time to penalize anyone on American soil who (a) conspires to undermine the US government, and (b) commits hate crimes against America and Americans.
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ACTION NOW Cong Hunter (assisted by former Cong Tancredo) should be called upon to initiate federal legislation that would impose severe penalties for foreigners undermining the US government and committing hate crimes against Americans (crimes like stealing our identities, cloning our cell phones, fraudulently registering/voting, and looting the tax assets of Americans).
Hate Crimes---Undermining the US government
1 - Invaders' using illegal ID or documents
2 - Invaders' Federal income tax evasion
3 - Re-entry into USA after deportation
4 - Obtain/Operate vehicles with illegal ID
5 - ID theft/fraud - Social Security fraud
6 - Knowingly gaining employment fraudulently
7 - Recruiting other illegal aliens workers
8 - Transporting illegal aliens across the border
9 - Harboring &/or housing illegal aliens on American soil
10 - Endangering Americans by undermining US national security
11 - Registering/Voting using fraudulent documentation
12 - Conspiracy to violate federal statutes
13 - Uttering false statements to public officials
14 - Obstructing law enforcement
15 - Sham marriages to avoid deportation
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FReepers should emphasize to lawmakers that Americans are demanding:
Federal grounds for expulsion from US soil
Federal grounds for denying citizenship
Provisional federal citizenship laws
Severe penalties for committing Hate Crimes Against Americans
Severe penalties for conspiring against, and undermining, the US government.
Denying federal funds to sanctuary-cities.
Abolishing anchor-baby ruling.
STRICT ENFORCEMENT of all EXISTING laws WRT illegals.
As they like to say in Chicago (and I’m sure they have something similar in old Meheeco: `la mordida’?)—`A good politician stays bought’ (paraphrasing) so I expect the payola/`grease’ paid thus far may be why the Mexican oligarchy are so aggrieved over the failure of the OBLs. They’ve got people returning now, no longer sending home paychecks.
What worked last year should work again: constant pressure on our critters.
And if McCain is violating his own law, he should be held accountable.
I’ve been waffling between staying home and writing in myself, but if Barr runs I’ll vote for him. There’s no way I’d ever vote for McCain—I absolutely detest the guy.
It’ll be the first time since I became eligible to vote that I won’t be voting a straight Republican ticket.
Ditto.
Now this is simply drifting off into absolute absurdity, wideawake. Neither Mexico nor Canada (simply to take the two most obvious and geographically pertinent examples) allow U.S. citizens to enter said nations at will -- flagrantly flaunting their own legally established immigration procedures, mind -- and then to stay, indefinitely, in direct violation of their sovereign laws. Plainly, neither of these are [*kaff*kaff*] "police states"; neither then, demonstrably, is the U.S., in doing precisely the same.
ILLEGAL immigrants, on the other hand -- and directly contra to your own statement, above -- manifestly do NOT pass our borders with "valid passports"; do NOT lawfully "receive work visas"; and do NOT lawfully attain "residency documents." Nor, more to the point, would a U.S. citizen following precisely these procedures in Canada or Mexico be simply (as you so scissored my earlier, factual assertion) "entering said nations at will."
Good grief.
Here it is, `the bite’ (la mordida).
There’s a consistent thread running through almost every issue involving illegal aliens—the corruption of our laws and lawmakers.
http://www.mexicomatters.net/retirementmexico/04_bribeslamordidainmexico.php
When people come from abroad to make a new home for themselves, and they are committed to the goal of becoming part of our nation – that's immigration. When they come to exploit economic opportunities while proudly flaunting their determination to continue in their allegiance to a foreign flag – that's colonization.
During the Los Angeles march, large numbers of foreigners marched proudly under the flag of a foreign country, to demand the right to live in the United States. They claim that the issue is immigration. But by their own actions, they reveal what is in fact a determined effort to force Americans to accept large foreign colonies in our midst, and to pay handsomely for the privilege of doing so. We have both the right and the moral obligation to say no.
Obviously our political leaders do not understand the real nature of the issue. In his radio address, President Bush told us that his guest-worker program is not intended to lead to citizenship for the illegal aliens in our midst. He actually seems to believe this is a point in its favor. At the same time, he and others like him want us to believe that the latest so-called immigration bill is somehow in line with the great tradition of immigration that literally created the American people. This is a lie.
In the past, the large majority of people coming to America from abroad came here to become part of the nation. They brought habits, customs and creeds that enriched the panoply of our emerging national identity, but they also accepted the challenge of becoming an integral part of it. Citizenship is the proper fruit of that kind of immigration, and that's what makes it good for America. Accepting the presence of large numbers of people who maintain their allegiance to a foreign flag, a foreign language and a foreign culture – and who mean to claim many of the benefits but none of the responsibilities of citizenship – is a departure from the tradition that built this nation, and the culmination of inept policies that will end in its dissolution.
Immigration, yes; colonization, no. The first prerequisite of any immigration policy, however, is to regain full control of the borders of the United States. Currently proposed legislation falls far short of what is needed to achieve this goal. Until and unless our political leaders put in place the tools and forces needed to achieve this control, responsible and moral Americans ought to oppose any measures that would signal our acceptance of the de facto colonization of our country.
President Bush's guest-worker proposal is such a measure. It may serve short-sighted business interests intent on cheapening the cost of labor in our economy; it may serve the corrupt interest of Mexican and other foreign elites seeking to relieve the pressure created by their own policies of greedy exploitation. But it does not serve the common good. Such service demands policies that give preference in immigration not just to workers seeking jobs and money, but to those who seek liberty and the responsibilities of citizenship.
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Former Reagan administration official Alan Keyes was U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Social and Economic Council and a 2000 Republican presidential candidate. Be sure to visit Alan Keyes' communications center for founding principles, The Declaration Foundation.
Was there new info?
Of ANY host nation, certainly; and well-quoted! ;)
Yeah—that’s a famous oxymoron.
“An honest politician is one, who when he’s bought, stays bought.”
Hear, hear.
How about this? Let them hie their illegal asses back to their countries of origin, go to the very end of the line and wait until their numbers come up LEGALLY this time.
N-i-c-e take.
I'm hoping that through these threads---and this is a great one posted by kent---- we will evolve the language which will let our pols know EXACTLY what this issue is all about.
INCLUDING: (a) political corruption, (b) undermining US soverignty, (c) colonization of the US by foreign invaders, (d) foreign governments colluding to endanger the lives and liberties of US citizens, (e) diminishing the US Constitution.
Coming to America is a privelege, not a right. Let them wait in line like everyone else.
Again, if there had been a reasonable system in place to begin with, instead of Teddy Kennedy's bizarre family-reunification/lottery system, 90% of them would have waited on line, gotten a visa and bought a bus ticket to San Diego instead of paying a coyote to sneak them in.
Expelling them and then continuing with the exact same idiotic system we have now is nuts.
It's not a line. It's a raffle. You can wait patiently your whole life and your number will never come up.
Instead of stupid quotas and "family reunification" it should be a clearcut process designed to encourage lots of young and productive people to come to the USA.
“You seem to have mistaken the sovereignty of a free nation for the sovereignty of a police state.”
That’s a classic. You seem to have mistaken the sovereignty of a free nation for the...
Well, you’ve mistaken it for nothing at all, other than your own twisted logic. Having immigration laws, and enforcing those laws, is NOT a police state.
What you really favor is turning over all immigration decisions to business interests. We’ve done that for years and it’s gotten us around 20 million illegals, and all the diminished wages and living standards that entails, and also the cheaper payrolls for the lawbreakers who hired them illegally.
It’s time business interests were ignored on immigration policy for a couple of decades, and let the much ballyhooed free market function among US citizens to make the necessary adjustments in supply, demand and price of labor.
That’s what this is all about from the American side, cheap labor and little else.
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In an interview Barr said that he favored an expanded "Guest Worker Program" if the economy needed it. GWP has become code for imported slave labor, so unless he favors building a militarized wall on the Southern border first, Barr is also a big nyet.
Mexico has very strict laws against foreigners, non-citizens and, particularly, illegal aliens, participating in their political process. Doing so will get the offender jailed, fined and deported and, if they are lucky, that is all that will happen.
I'm hoping that through these threads, all of us will will evolve the language which will let our pols know EXACTLY what this issue is all about.
INCLUDING: (a) political corruption, (b) undermining US soverignty, (c) colonization of the US by foreign invaders, (d) foreign governments colluding to endanger the lives and liberties of US citizens, (e) diminishing the US Constitution.
Control of one's borders is the first order of sovereignity, which is precisely why Mexico guards its southern border so jealously. EVERYTHING else is secondary.
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