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Can Republicans Win On Iraq?
The New Republic ^ | April 10th, 2008 | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 04/10/2008 3:57:51 PM PDT by The_Republican

Are the Republicans politically suicidal? I don't think so. The public can oppose you on a specific policy question but still favor you on the issue in general. Richard Nixon was fighting an unpopular war in 1972, but he still crushed George McGovern on foreign policy. Likewise, despite the unpopularity of the Iraq war, John McCain's general hawkishness might still be an asset for him.

A Democracy Corps poll, highlighted by Ed Kilgore, suggests exactly that.

When presented with the choice of a generic Democrat or Republican, voters strongly prefer a Democrat. But when asked to choose between John McCain and either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, they side with McCain.

Democracy Corps calls this swing group -- generically pro-Democrat, actually pro-McCain -- "wanna-D's." (Yes, it's an annoying phrase.) One factor in the Wanna-D's support for McCain is that just over half of them believe that he'd "mostly bring a different approach than President Bush" on foreign policy. So tying McCain to Bush is important.

But Kilgore identifies what seems to be the crucial factor:

by a startling 33 percentage points, the "Wanna-Ds" say they worry more that Clinton or Obama will be too reluctant to use military force abroad, than McCain being too willing to use military force abroad. Given the wording here, the question is about as clear an indicator of which party's candidates control the "center" on national security as you are going to find.

So there you have it. Iraq may not be popular, but the general perception (which isnot the same thing as reality) that they're willing to fight the bad guys remains a key positive for the GOP brand. Am I saying the Democrats need to try to mimic Republican positions in order to win? Not at all.

A creative approach is needed, and Obama's combination of dovishness on iraq and hawkishness on al Qaeda in Pakistan strikes me as probably the best approach.

But I am saying that the challenge is steep, liberals are far too confident about the political terrain, and Republicans are far from crazy to stick with Bush on Iraq.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; 2008; gop; iraq; iraqwar; issues; mccain; notbush; tnr; winningissue
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I guess Condi Rice would infact be a bad idea (although an extremely tempting bad idea).

McCain needs to get in War of Words with Bush. That would further strengthen his image as a Maverick and someone who does NOT toe the company line. Its essential people continue to believe that McCain is Notbush.

1 posted on 04/10/2008 3:57:51 PM PDT by The_Republican
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When presented with the choice of a generic Democrat or Republican, voters strongly prefer a Democrat. But when asked to choose between John McCain and either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, they side with McCain.

Conclusion: McCain is a Democrat

2 posted on 04/10/2008 4:03:45 PM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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Republicans can lose on Iraq, but win — I doubt it.


3 posted on 04/10/2008 4:05:10 PM PDT by devane617 (My Kharma Ran Over Your Dogma)
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So all the Reagan Democrats make him a Democrat too? And Reagan actually DID issue an Amenesty.


4 posted on 04/10/2008 4:05:22 PM PDT by The_Republican (Ovaries of the World Unite! Rush, Laura, Ann, Greta - Time for the Ovulation!)
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Don’t know but “Both Ramos & Compean, border guards, need to be released from prison now.”


5 posted on 04/10/2008 4:05:52 PM PDT by RC2
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Americans don’t like to lose. If McCain appeals to “Reason” as well as “Pride”, he can get the needed support.


6 posted on 04/10/2008 4:06:24 PM PDT by The_Republican (Ovaries of the World Unite! Rush, Laura, Ann, Greta - Time for the Ovulation!)
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To: usurper

Faulty conclusion. The wool over your eyes prevents clear vision.


7 posted on 04/10/2008 4:07:27 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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Republicans can win if they want to. The question is “Do they want to win?” I haven’t seen it yet.


8 posted on 04/10/2008 4:09:08 PM PDT by RC2
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"McCain needs to get in War of Words with Bush."

About what?

9 posted on 04/10/2008 4:09:53 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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Something......anything.


10 posted on 04/10/2008 4:10:26 PM PDT by The_Republican (Ovaries of the World Unite! Rush, Laura, Ann, Greta - Time for the Ovulation!)
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Just thought of it......when McCain gave his foreign policy speech....he put lots of emphasis on LISTENING TO OUR ALLIES.

That is one pereception that is out there.....that W ignores all of our European allies and does what he wants to and is NOT open to any input.

McCain take couple of shots there. If not directly, then inderectly, like he did in that speech.....We Must Listen......


11 posted on 04/10/2008 4:13:23 PM PDT by The_Republican (Ovaries of the World Unite! Rush, Laura, Ann, Greta - Time for the Ovulation!)
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But anything upon which they would disagree to any extant would probably be meaningless to voters.
12 posted on 04/10/2008 4:13:30 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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....McCain needs to get in War of Words with Bush.

Well, have him bitch slap him then. Maybe he'll do something substantive (by that I mean effective) about illegal immigration then.....

13 posted on 04/10/2008 4:16:57 PM PDT by Gaffer
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If that doesn't alienate what's left of any conservative support, they are not conservatives. And who would it attract? I if a voter wants to submit the US to foreign guidance, why settle for McCain when they can have a bona fide RAT one worlder?
14 posted on 04/10/2008 4:18:44 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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Difference between “guidance” and being “open to inputs” and respecting your allies.


15 posted on 04/10/2008 4:20:40 PM PDT by The_Republican (Ovaries of the World Unite! Rush, Laura, Ann, Greta - Time for the Ovulation!)
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"Are the Republicans politically suicidal?"

Yes!

16 posted on 04/10/2008 4:22:20 PM PDT by Radix (How come they call people "Morons" when they do not know as much? Shouldn't they be called "Lessons?)
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Nonsense. Lefties are waking up to the fact that surrender is not going to be popular. McCain’s position should be to win the war and grow the force. McCain should let Iran know it faces extinction before he’d allow them to have nukes.

Ingredients for a landslide.


17 posted on 04/10/2008 4:23:14 PM PDT by y6162
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To: The_Republican
Unless an issue has absolutely no bearing on the security or vital interests of the US, any foreign input is too much input. Any and all actions taken by the president must be predicated solely on what is in the best interests of the USA. Otherwise he is not fit to hold the office. I know this may sound rather quaint and chauvinistic in this post national world; but there it is.
18 posted on 04/10/2008 4:31:01 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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That IS McCain's position already. Hence the comment in the article about his "Hawkishness being an asset".
19 posted on 04/10/2008 4:31:08 PM PDT by The_Republican (Ovaries of the World Unite! Rush, Laura, Ann, Greta - Time for the Ovulation!)
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.....McCain should let Iran know it faces extinction before he’d allow them to have nukes......

The timing will be critical. Iran will be more important than Iraq.

The new rumor will make the Rats reid and Pelosi appoplectic. Reid doesn’t look like a candidate, but Pelosi might really stroke out.


20 posted on 04/10/2008 4:31:18 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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