do I really have to say it???
Posted on 03/16/2008 8:17:14 AM PDT by null and void
Breaking on Fox, no link yet.
This means there are new murders to tie to Charles Manson.
Maybe, just maybe, he can get the death penalty for one or more of these.
Assuming the liberal gods in black robes don't block it again to save him.
Barker Ranch
Were these “practice”?
That should be interesting. I remember several years ago a friend of mine claimed her father had been murdered by Manson down at that ranch. I didn’t take it seriously. I might owe her an apology or at least some sympathy.
Take two:
Teaser said they has found bodies, segment said they were looking for bodies.
really! maybe justice will be served now!
nope the murders occured when the country did not have a death penalty.
Maybe. Even if you don’t a little kindness would go a long way.
damn..........
Here is the full story from our local newspaper (near Death Valley):
http://www.inyoregister.com/content/view/84991/27/
Unless there was a constitutionally valid death penalty law in effect when the murders took place, there will be no death penalty now if he is convicted as such punishment would be ex post facto.
Wrong!
Bump for reference...
The death penalty may not have been in effect when Manson was on trial, but it likely was still in effect at the time he committed his crimes.
Not that it matters since virtually no one on death row is ever actually executed in California.
Bad news about that parole hearing, Charles....
If I recall, he was Sentenced to death and was serving his time on death row but California abolished the Death penalty in ‘73 and his sentence was converted to life.
This could be the media circus of all media circus’s if it is true they are able to find bodies and charge Manson with the murders.
Ding Ding you win
Hmmm.
Manson is over 60 years old. The trial will last 2-5 years. The appeals will go another 5-10 years. Even if convicted, he will not be put to death until he is over 80 years old.
Chances are he will die of old age.
The Constitution explicitly and correctly forbids making something illegal after the fact or increasing the penalties for a crime after it's committed.
Hmmmm. It was overturned by, IIRC, the Ninth District Court of Appeals. His death sentence (and those of many others) was commuted to Life.
The 9th district's decision, like so many of its other bad decisions, was overturned by a higher court. The state was unable (or unwilling?) to reinstate the original penalties.
I'm uncertain how this plays out with newly discovered murders.
No man's Life Liberty or Property are same as long as court is in session.
That’ll teach him!
There was a death penalty at the time; Manson and at least one or two of his followers were sentenced to death- it was a year or so later that the death penalty was repealed and their sentences became life sentences. It would be ironic if Manson were to be tried for another murder now and end up executed. It’s not likely since evidence will be tough after all these years and prosecutor may not be inclined to open a new can of worms with the defendent already locked up for life.
Manson got the death penalty, the Supreme Court of California reduced it to life when the state temporarily eliminated the death penalty. So the murders did occur when the state had the death penalty.
I could be wrong, but as I recall, there was a death penalty in effect when the murders took place and he was sentenced to the death penalty at his trial. That death penalty law, however, was thrown out some years later and Manson got a straight life sentence. The current CA D/P law was passed well after all this, and cannot be applied to him for these old crimes.
I think that happens in roughly half of the cases languishing on death row.
Wonder if either of these “Family” members had anything to do with other murders?
Tex Watson-Since 1993 he has been at the Mule Creek State Prison, and is the father to four children. He remains married and continues to fight for his parole. To date, he has been denied parole 13 times.
Leslie Van Houten-She has applied unsuccessfully for parole on 18 occasions and remains housed in the California Institution for Women in Corona, California along with Krenwinkel and Atkins.
You are correct.
Tell that to all the guys who slammed a door in their wife's face years ago, pleaded no contest to minor domestic violence misdemeanors, and then found their right to own a gun cancelled ex post facto a decade or two later.
I wonder if Heller will help rectify this?
-ccm
N&V, you have to remember—it’s CALIFORNIA. Death penalties are seldom enforced.
Right, he would probably die of old age. And lets not forget what kind of circus his other trial was. I think he would like nothing more than to have the cameras on him again.
Huh? Then how did Manson get his original Death Penalty sentence in the first place?
Then the nasty old fart can savour a last meal of pureed steak, mashed potatoes, strained peas, decafe coffee and prune whip before being wheeled into the death chamber.
as I recall from when I read “helter skelter”, wasn’t there an attorney working on his case who just “disappeared”?? I wonder if it’s this guy..
No. He went camping. Stupid idiot tried to swim in a mountain stream with a small boulder on his chest.
Manson was unsuccessful in his attempt to use this ‘drowning’ as an excuse for a mistrial...
I’m in Kaleeeeeeforneeeeeyyyyya. I’ve thought about that a lot...
ahh..I see, he tried the old “hey y’all, hold ma beer and watch this” trick..:)
Great.
Fox News if gonna be going, “whoOOSH-GONG!”
“Breaking News! Manson flips bird at judge!”
...for the next five years.
That’s exactly what happened, to him and several of his murdering ring.
Only if he were young, blond, and missing.
do I really have to say it???
Oh, he’s missing all right.
The captain’s left the bridge.
Here's the money quote:
"...one source, who asked not to be named for fear Manson and his family members would not speak to them again in the future, interviewed Manson in prison several years ago. The source asked Manson about the Barker Ranch, but before Manson could answer, his jail house lawyer cut him off, saying that Manson would not talk about any crimes that do not have statute of limitations, and could result in further indictments of people. According to Dostie and the source, in California there are only two crimes that do not have a statute of limitations: murder and embezzlement of public funds."
and he can die in prison of old age and then burn in hell. Sounds just fine with me. Let him rot in prison. Death is too good for him.
The death penalty was in effect at the time of the murders. I you recall, Manson was sentenced to death for the Tate-Lobianco murders, but this was later commuted to life by SCOTUS.
True, DP law in CA is like the immigration code, it’s technically on the books but rarely gets enforced. Ranks just below jaywalking.
You are an optimist.
Born and raised in Ohio, growing up in Ohio and West Virginia region...
Too bad he didn't stay put.
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