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Ships, trains told to become cleaner (EPA to announce new stronger pollution controls)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 3/14/08 | H. Josef Hebert - ap

Posted on 03/14/2008 10:02:44 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - The Environmental Protection Agency is announcing strong new pollution controls on the nation's locomotives, ships and passenger ferries.

They will have to cut soot by 90 percent and smog-causing chemical releases by 80 percent over the next six to seven years through technology improvements in locomotive and ship diesel engines.

Those engines often operate for decades. The pollution improvements would be required of new engines as well as old when they are overhauled.

The Associated Press has learned that EPA will announce the new requirements Friday in Washington.

These requirements would be in addition to regulations already in place for phasing in low-sulfur diesel fuel.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cleaner; energy; epa; pollution; ships; trains
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1 posted on 03/14/2008 10:02:45 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Why in the F#$K do these people insist on tightening regulations NOW??? WE CAN’T AFFORD YOU IDIOTS!!! Are you trying to drive every last job out of the country?


2 posted on 03/14/2008 10:11:55 AM PDT by lesser_satan
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To: Red Badger

Because the rising prices for Highway (Road) Diesel wasn’t enough...


3 posted on 03/14/2008 10:12:24 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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National Clean Diesel Campaign
http://www.epa.gov/diesel/


4 posted on 03/14/2008 10:13:27 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: NormsRevenge

Specifics for those interested:

Final Rule: Control of Emissions of Air Pollution from Locomotive Engines and Marine Compression-Ignition Engines
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/marine.htm
March 14, 2008


5 posted on 03/14/2008 10:14:41 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Thanks!


6 posted on 03/14/2008 10:20:51 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

Let just give up now and live in grass huts....the EPA, congress both Dim presidential candidates are all traitors....

and unfortunately McLame agrees with all this Bovine Scat.


7 posted on 03/14/2008 10:20:52 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: thackney

Next they’re coming after your lawnmower and weed eater, and don’t even think about that new chainsaw.......


8 posted on 03/14/2008 10:22:23 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: thackney

From the National Clean Diesel Campaign web-site:

“Emerging Technology List
At this time there are no technologies that meet the emerging technology qualifications.”

So, there are no approved technologies but you will meet the new standards and you will pay fines for noncompliance.


9 posted on 03/14/2008 10:25:35 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: Red Badger

10 posted on 03/14/2008 10:28:14 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: shove_it
The key word is emerging. There are some existing acceptable choice for them.


11 posted on 03/14/2008 10:32:38 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: NormsRevenge
This is just nuts. Ships operate at sea. There is *no* air pollution problem at sea, because there are *no* mountains to concentrate the air pollutants in one place. This is simply nuts. The cost will be enormous!
12 posted on 03/14/2008 10:36:13 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: thackney
Those mules are not equipped with suitable CO2 emission control devices. Pay up, comrade.
13 posted on 03/14/2008 10:42:39 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: NormsRevenge

“...... nation’s locomotives, ships and passenger ferries. “

Shut it down!!! Shut the entire thing down and see how these traitors like what they end up with. Let them see how the American people respond when these jobs are ALL gone.

It’s far past the time to play hardball with these corrupt bastards.

Enough of this death of our country by a thousand cuts.....


14 posted on 03/14/2008 10:43:04 AM PDT by Gator113 (Serve your country today, fire a democrat.)
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To: shove_it

CO2 is the least of the emmission problem created by the mules.


15 posted on 03/14/2008 10:43:58 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

That too.
:o)


16 posted on 03/14/2008 10:45:56 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: NormsRevenge

I will take exception to the thrust of this thread, because I know that foreign ships are a major, major contribtor to pollution in So.CA. Long Beach, CA accepts 40% of all shipped US goods, and filthy foriegn flagged ships belch a huge amount of pollution there.

There is room for improvement in maritime laws, all the way around. Flag nations like Nigeria need to have their ships reigned in.


17 posted on 03/14/2008 11:10:37 AM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: NormsRevenge

Ships, trains told to become cleaner


18 posted on 03/14/2008 11:13:23 AM PDT by frithguild (I hope for change when I give cash to the Man - but all I ever get is nickels and dimes.)
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To: Wiseghy
because I know that foreign ships are a major, major contribtor to pollution in So.CA

How many cars and trucks versus the number of ships move each day in Souther CA? In terms of fuel consumed or energy used, I suspect ships isn't even in the margin of error in comparison to land vehicles.

19 posted on 03/14/2008 11:14:11 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Perhaps another FReeper can find the stats on this.

Some huge percentage of So. Cal air pollution is due to Long Beach alone. 20%-30% maybe?

Cars in CA are now very clean, while shipping has never changed.

In terms of marginal costs, which Enviros never consider, this should have been addressed long ago.


20 posted on 03/14/2008 11:21:55 AM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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