I often wonder about what will become of all the minorities, gays and lesbians, when the dems don’t need them anymore.
-—good post—good book—
Hitler and Stalin murdered over 50,000,000 Capitalist’s!
Added to my “to buy”-”must read” list.
Essentially, fascism is a nationalistic version of socialism, but it’s still socialism.
Fascism was born out of the post WWI experience but heavily borrowed on the largely popular communist/socialist movements in Europe starting in the mid 1860s. Hitler’s Germany was a socialist state, where the first gun laws were passed, Kindergeld came about……….
The socialist today attempts to paint fascism as a concept that is politically right, but in fact the right is in it’s traditional American values about privatization, decentralization, individual rights, personal responsibility, God, etc is about as far removed from fascism or socialism as you can get. Post WWII this “perception” of the right being fascist was groomed by the left, in fact the left likes to see themselves as the opposition, as the oppressed, and as victims of the fascists, who were in reality just another form of socialists competing for power in the 1920s – 30s. The fascist socialists saw the communist socialists as competition and a threat, and once in power eliminated them. Essentially, the differences between a Hitler and Stalin are about semantics. What is true however is that socialism has serious political and societal ramifications since it places extreme power into the hands of state systems, centralizes power, sees collective rights as superseding those of the individual, is essentially Godless may that be the Nazi regime or Soviets etc etc etc.
The American right, is the antithesis of socialism; which is about centralization, collective and secular thought, state managed nanny states etc. That’s also one of the reasons why European socialist so despise us American conservatives.
The other two are Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy by M. Stanton Evans and The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness by Lyle H. Rossiter Jr., MD.
Try going to your bookstore and asking for these books. I asked for Liberal Fascism at my bookstore and I was told that they didn't have it in and "we won't be ordering it." (IOW, we're good libs, so you're not allowed to rad that -- thus proving Jonah Goldberg's point.)
After reading these three, I plan to go back and re-read Michael Savage's Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder and Ann Coulter's Treason. (Hey, ask your bookstore for those, too.) :)
“Applying the language of war to domestic problems.”
Mrs. Bill Clinton, fascist, speaks of Bush’s “War Against Science” because he doesn’t support “stem cell” (human embryo) research.
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&brand=msnbc&fg=copy&vid=f21ff4fe-d84a-4234-8228-431f7a07fb1a&from=00
Chilling.
Theodore Roosevelt was a true proto-fascist, and it is my personal opinion that had he lived to see Mussolini's movement he would have been the first American Fascist with a capital "f." His youth, his crusading nature, his dramatic speaking style, his lauding of "the strenuous life," his jingoism, his militarism, and his domestic interventionism in the economy all point in this direction.
There was a "progressive" element to the temperance/prohibition movement (especially in the early years), but by the Twenties the Fundamentalist Protestant element had become just as important, if not more so. The "wet" states and populations were in the areas we now recognize as liberal, while the Bible Belt was solidly "dry." Also, I notice that Prohibition gets lambasted by the liberal media quite often (because it "didn't work"), yet that same media wants to apply the same logic to guns. Furthermore, conservatives' arch-villain FDR made the repeal of Prohibition one of his major issues.
I believe the author makes an error when he identifies Woodrow Wilson's "goon squad" as "the American Legion." The American Legion was not organized until 1919, and it was made up of the American Expeditionary Forces. I believe I've read about the organization the author truly has in mind, and it isn't The American Legion.
Lay off of Julia Ward Howe! The Battle Hymn of the Republic is one of the most inspirational patriotic songs of all time! And if the Union's confidence in the rightness of its cause is "fascist," isn't every government at war for what it feels is a "just cause" similarly "fascist" (including the Confederacy, which fired the first shot)? Seems to me this is one of those universal human attitudes shared by fascists rather than a specifically fascist attitude. (Pinging wideawake for the Julia Ward Howe thing.)
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Margaret Sanger—
“Always to me any aroused group was a good group, and therefore I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan...In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered.” (Margaret Sanger: An Autobiography, P.366)
“We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.” Margaret Sanger’s December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. Original source: Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College, North Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in Linda Gordon’s Woman’s Body, Woman’s Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America. New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976.
I just found a pdf of the book online and I must it gives me more questions than answers. It did answer one question I had about fascism.
But I still think the left is following a playbook toward communism though they use fascist tactics.
Therefore I was chomping at the bit all night to find a book discussing communism. While I did find what I wanted on Amazon, trying to find a online or downloadable pdf proved elusive. Best I could do is a audio book torrent of Communism: A History by Richard Pipes.
What I want is to compare and contrast the two books now that I have them in some form. So I am also downloading the audiobook version of Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism.
This all was borne out of needing to refresh my facts as I couldn’t quiet make my arguments today as clearly as I would have wanted when trying to highlight how fascism is like socialism.
In the end, I came to see how they also have differences. But I also came to understand that Nazism was the German version of Fascism and people just automatically label that as being the entire ideology of fascism but it is not.
So what I am trying to do basically is refresh myself on all the isms and ideologies and forms of governments to be able to debate with people on the left or even libertarians better.
Here is the PDF to the LIberal Fascism book: https://eatyourspinachbrother.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/liberal-fascism.pdf
That site also had the PDF to the book The Nazi Connection: Eugenics, Racism and German National Socialism https://eatyourspinachbrother.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/the-nazi-connection.pdf