Lets take her out once and for all

2-20-08 | Colt 45cal

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

This feud MUST continue until the DNC. The longer it lasts the more destructive it will be to the DEM party as a whole...

[CIDKauf]

“We need less hat and more cattle” and get rid of this “cowboy diplomacy”. Somebody get a rope!!!

[madison10]

madison10 wrote: I doubt McCain would run for a second term.

I doubt McCain will live to a 2nd term.

Well, that, too. Hesitated at being so crass. ;)

[dba.adabas]

They will cheat to win the Presidential nomination. Or has anyone ever considered McCain bowing out if she gets the Democratic nod?

Get her out now and let them claim disenfranchisement against themselves rather than the Presidential election where you know they will like they did with Bush/Gore and Bush/Kerry. Show the world who the real arbiters of “disenfranchisement” are.

[VRWCmember]

OF course this all assumes that we think the (R) alternative is better.

In case there is some question about that, consider this:

While McCain is far from my first choice, he appears to be the inevitable GOP nominee. As for the "lesser of two evils" I think there are substantial differences between McCain and the democrat nominee that would cause any true conservative to vote for McCain. Here are some examples of those differences:

Issue	McCain	hillary	Obama
Iraq	Supports troop surge Troops stay until Iraq's government is stable and secure	Begin troop withdrawal	Vows to end war, withdraw troops over 16 months
Economy	End congressional earmarks and control government spending. Free market healthcare and energy policies will spur economic growth	Moratorium on some home foreclosures Increase minimum wage and spending on infrastructure and job training.	Pro-union "Re-negotiate" NAFTA Increase regulation of Wall Street and lenders Create fund to prevent homeowner foreclosures
Healthcare	Opposes mandates $2500 refundable tax credit ($5000 for families) to help with health insurance Expand healthcare savings accounts	Universal healthcare (cost 100B to 110B per year)	Health insurance subsidies to make health insurance affordable for virtually all Americans (50B to 65B per year) Mandate coverage for children
Taxes	Extend Bush Tax Cuts (make permanent) Simplify tax code Reform AMT	Allow Bush tax cuts to expire for those earning $250K+ Freeze estate tax at 2009 levels to pay for universal 401(k) -- oh boy, another "universal" benefit Reform AMT	Replace Bush tax cuts with new breaks of $500 to $1500 for individuals making less than $50K. Raise capital gain and dividend tax rates Eliminate "loophole" for hedge funds. Reform AMT

Further, in the area of federal judges, we don't know for sure that McCain will give us Alito and Roberts, but we absolutely know for sure that hillary or Obama will give us more Bader Ginsburgs and Breyers.
 

[madison10]

Or has anyone ever considered McCain bowing out if she gets the Democratic nod?

Bowing out? Why? (if he really is a Manchurian-type candidate then all bets are off. Did wonder about them being on the same ticket once)

[sodpoodle]

*****Obama is beatable and I don’t think he’s lost his soul enough to cheat like she would.****

It’s not a matter of soul....as a Dem he might have the inclination.....but no-one has mastered the art of cheating like the Clintons. He’s clearly out of their league.

[VRWCmember]

If I do cross over for the primary, voting Hillary or Obama, I will not be able to change my party till next primary, I believe. And I will not be able to support my guy Pete Olson for US District 22.

That is absolutely correct. You miss out an any other important GOP contested races. Also, if there is a runoff for any GOP race down the ballot — anyone that votes in the democrat primary will be ineligible to vote in the runoff (you have to vote in the GOP primary AND have your voter registration card stamped that you voted GOP). Also, if you want to participate in the GOP caucuses and/or serve as a precinct rep or a delegate, you must vote in the GOP primary and have your voter registration card stamped that you voted GOP.

Furthermore, by voting for Fred Thompson on my ballot, I registered my protest vote to help send the message that conservatives in the party are not satisfied with the remaining choices. If Thompson is able to pull a few percentage points of the vote even after he dropped out, that will send a message.

[VRWCmember]

I’d vote for McCain before I’d vote dim and I am not voting for McCain.

I hope you are just talking about the primary and not the general election.

[kidd]

Take her out now.

If you are trying for an even delegate count, think again. Does anyone here doubt that the Florida and Michigan delegates will count? There is a real reason that Hillary kept her name on the ballot in Michigan and spent precious campaign money in Florida. And remember the New Jersey senate elections... Florida 2000...the democrats have no problem changing the rules.

If you think the democrat campaign will be conducted with the nicey-nicey attitude seen so far, think again. Does anyone here think she’s done reaching into her dirty bag of tricks?

And if you think McCain cannot beat Obama, think again. Obama is very beatable. He has zero experience. ZERO. He is NOT a good debater; he is useless without a teleprompter. He has been an avid antiwar candidate, and by November things will be dramatically better.

[Sans-Culotte]

You do realize that there are Republican races going on, too? I should pass up a chance to vote for the republican of choice for state rep, U.S. rep, etc so I can do a cross-over for Obama? Why?

[A Texan]

100% agree on all your points.

First, why put off until tomorrow which could be done today. If the Beast loses the primary it is damn near a stake through the heart of the clinton political machine. End it now and end it for good.

Second, liberals are hypocrites. They will say they will vote for the black candidate but will come up short. The older dem’s are elitist and Obama doesn’t make the cut.

Third, I too am tired of the “go back to DU” bull$hit because of differing opinions. If you don’t have constructive criticism or a rational rebuttal to an opinion then don’t post and pi$$ off.

Fourth, where as I agree if clinton gets elected it is possibly eight years of the both of them I honestly believe (and I am in no way promoting this) that her many enemies will come gunning for her.

[TexasCajun]

Thanks for the insight.

I toyed with the idea, but I believe I will do just as you have. ..voting at the libary in Clear Lake.

[skully]

madison10 wrote:
I doubt McCain would run for a second term.

skully wrote:
I doubt McCain will live to a 2nd term.

madison10 wrote:
Well, that, too. Hesitated at being so crass. ;)

I know I just couldn’t help my self when I read your post..I’m just a Crasshole...LOL!!

[Resolute Conservative]

Probably not. I see no redeeming value in either candidate left standing. Time to focus on the Congress to minimize damage.

[MoreGovLess]

Prez HillBillary 2: a truly nauseating prospect.

I wonder which “gamble” would choose:
(1). 75% odds Obama wins, 25% McCain wins
(2). 50% odds Clinton wins, 50% McCain wins

Tweak numbers as you see fit: who would choose (1) for certainy of no Clinton(s)?

[kidd]

Good list.

Let me add one more.

McCain is OLD. There is a good chance that he will not run for a second term.

[B4Ranch]

Republicans defeated themselves.

[hinckley buzzard]

Agreed. this is a really shortsighted strategy. The danger from radical Obama with his cult of personality is greater than from the plodding Clinton. Better to nominate Clinton, then defeat her in November. That way we take both of them out.

Nominate Obama and the odds are he'll win. If that happens, it won't be long before you'd be wishing we had a president Clinton again.

[doug from upland]

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