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To: mwl1
Doesn’t matter who McCain picks he DOA all ready. Anyone who joins his ticket is headed for political oblivion. Hope T-Paw is smart enough to duck when McCain starts calling.

We all know McCain cannot win. Those of us who actually care about our political agenda and want it advanced and are not mindless Party Uber Alles types who treat this as if it were a sporting event know it. We do not watch polls to decide who to support the way McCainiac do. Given the Democrats structural advantage in organization, turn out and money who had a better chance of winning?

Whole Country is in a foul mood. They hate the Political class with a passion. Everyone from the President to the least member of Congress has record low sustained political approval numbers.

The GOP, because they hold the WH, is seen as the party in power.

Given the country’s furious Anti DC mood who has a better chance of winning against Clinton Inc?

A tired broke old 25 year member of the DC Establishment who is running on a Leftist agenda with a long politically corrupt history who virtually no one in the Conservative Movement likes or trusts who’s stated political agenda is to be Democrat Lite

or

an articulate successful business man and former Gov with a $250 million war chest who at least is running on a solidly Conservative agenda who can credibly run a Reagan style “we got to go clean up DC” campaign?

9 months ago according to all the National Polls the only person who could beat Clinton Inc was Rudy G. Where is he now?

That is where the GOP and McCain will be in Nov 2008. The GOP will be lucky to win 10 states. We are going to get massacred down ticket also. The Democrats are fired up. They are going to have huge turnout since it will be the 1st chance in 15 years for them to control the whole Govt. They are like we were in 2000. They will be ground glass Democrats.

The Mods-Indys are NOT going to vote for McCain’s style of Democrat lite politics. The are in a foul anti Establishment mood and McCain is as Establishment as they get. A career old WASP politician. The Mods/Indys are going to vote for the the Democrat real deal over the Democrat Lite GOP brand.

The Conservative/Republican will not be energized and so many will not show up, certainly will not volunteer their time and money to campaign. McCain’s GOTV will be a sad joke. After all, what the difference between one tax hiking big Govt authoritarian Liberal or the other to them. Either way Conservatives get nothing

The GOP are going to get a 1980s style butt kicking in Nov. Only this time the Anti Reagan the Democrats will be running is the one winning the landslide.

18 posted on 02/06/2008 2:55:37 PM PST by MNJohnnie (So in November, is it going to be our Liberal or their Liberal?)
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To: MNJohnnie
"We all know McCain cannot win."

No we don't. If Hillary gets the nomination, Bloomberg gets in and very angry Black voters decide they got screwed out of Obama, and add Green party nominee Cynthia McKinney to the mix, McCain could win a plurality. Polling data has indicated for some time that McCain does exceptionally well even in a 2-man race. Question is, will it be remotely worth it ? I say only if he picks an ACTUAL Conservative (not phony liberal scum like Romney or Huckster) like Fred or SC Gov. Mark Sanford, and then he dies early on in his term could we still salvage something from this sideshow.

21 posted on 02/06/2008 3:01:30 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: MNJohnnie

pawlenty would be crazy to turn down the VP nod with McCain — he keeps his job if the ticket loses and he is positioned to be presidential timber in 2012. This happens all the time with losing VP candidates.


22 posted on 02/06/2008 3:01:48 PM PST by mwl1
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To: MNJohnnie
All very well said and a very powerful case against what is happening here. That said, the mentioned facts of the ‘Foul mood’ of the Electorate, the far superior organization of the Dems and the complete incompetence and vulnerability of the Rep putative nominee all make it certain the next Pres will be Dem.

BTW, have the skyrocketing numbers of Dems in the Primaries been factored in. They are energized and this is yet another nail in the coffin.

I felt Romney might have a very slight chance of meeting these challenges but I am very certain McCain will produce a the Rep equivalent of Mondale or McGovern.

24 posted on 02/06/2008 3:03:31 PM PST by TCats
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