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It's All Worldview: Christians and the Environment
Breakpoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 1/30/2008 | Chuck Colson

Posted on 01/30/2008 11:28:35 AM PST by Mr. Silverback

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In his World Peace Day message, Pope Benedict XVI included caring for the environment as an important part of promoting peace. Nothing controversial about that—environmental degradation has often led to conflict over resources.

Not so fast, Chuck: Nobel Peace Prize? No Connection Between Environmental Crises And Armed Conflict, According To New Study

Before posting this I read the environmental section of the "For the Health of the Nation" statement. Good news: The text is consistent with conservationism (as opposed to the misanthropy and hysteria of environmentalism) and reads like something the Boy Scouts, not the Sierra Club, would offer on the subject. The bad news is, no specific rejection of the global warming con, which would have been true leadership, IMHO.

There are links to further information at the source document.

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1 posted on 01/30/2008 11:28:36 AM PST by Mr. Silverback
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2 posted on 01/30/2008 11:30:49 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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There is a misanthropic strain in modern environmentalism.
***Good writing, but just a tad too much understatement.


3 posted on 01/30/2008 11:33:16 AM PST by Kevmo (We need to get rid of the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. ~Duncan Hunter)
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Pinging prolifers because of the discussion of enviro-misanthropy. Say that ten times fast, baby!

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4 posted on 01/30/2008 11:33:56 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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***Good writing, but just a tad too much understatement.***

I agree wholeheartedly. This stuff is also from a post at the Junk Science Blog:

Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialised civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” — Maurice Strong, head of the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro and Executive Officer for Reform in the Office of the Secretary General of the United Nations.

“A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-development means bringing our economic system (especially patterns of consumption) into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation.” — Paul Ehrlich and Anne H. Ehrlich, “Population, Resources, Environment” (W.H. Freeman, San Francisco, 1970, 323)

“If you ask me, it’d be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy because of what we would do with it. We ought to be looking for energy sources that are adequate for our needs, but that won’t give us the excesses of concentrated energy with which we could do mischief to the earth or to each other.” — Amory Lovins, The Mother Earth - Plowboy Interview, Nov/Dec 1977, p. 22

“Giving society cheap, abundant energy … would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.” — Paul Ehrlich, “An Ecologist’s Perspective on Nuclear Power”, May/June 1978 issue of Federation of American Scientists Public Issue Report.

“We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the same industrialization, we have in the U.S. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are.” — Michael Oppenheimer, Princeton University. He joined the Princeton faculty after more than two decades with Environmental Defense, is a long-time participant in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), serving most recently as a lead author of the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report.

“We’ve already had too much economic growth in the US. Economic growth in rich countries like ours is the disease, not the cure.” — Ehrlich again.

“The planet is about to break out with fever, indeed it may already have, and we [human beings] are the disease. We should be at war with ourselves and our lifestyles.” — Thomas Lovejoy, assistant secretary to the Smithsonian Institution.

“The only real good technology is no technology at all. Technology is taxation without representation, imposed by our elitist species (man) upon the rest of the natural world.” — John Shuttleworth, FoE manual writer.

“People are the cause of all the problems; we have too many of them; we need to get rid of some of them, and this (ban of DDT) is as good a way as any.” — Charles Wurster, Environmental Defense Fund.

“We can and should seize upon the energy crisis as a good excuse and great opportunity for making some very fundamental changes that we should be making anyhow for other reasons.” — Russell Train (EPA Administrator at the time, and soon thereafter became head of the World Wildlife Fund), Science 184 p. 1050, 7 June 1974

The world has a cancer, and that cancer is man. — Alan Gregg, former longtime official of the Rockerfeller Foundation

Man is always and everywhere a blight on the landscape. — John Muir, founder of the Sierra Club

Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental. — Dave Forman, Earth First! and Sierra Club director (1995-1997)

Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs. — John Davis, editor of Earth First! journal

“We have to get rid of that warm medieval period.” — Jonathan Overpeck, a Professor at U of Arizona and IPCC Lead Author in an email to David Deming, a professor at U of Oklahoma.

No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits…. climate change provides the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.” — Christine Stewart, Canadian Environment Minister, Calgary Herald 14 Dec, 1998.

Source: http://junkscience.com/blog_js/2007/12/30/hatred-of-people-and-the-subversion-of-climate-science/


5 posted on 01/30/2008 11:36:40 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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the modern environmentalism is the hiding place for todays socialists/communists.


6 posted on 01/30/2008 11:37:01 AM PST by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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What was controversial was the Pope’s speaking about environmental issues as if the Christian worldview were true.

Controversial? I should hope the Pope would talk as if Christianity were true!

If he doesn't believe it to be so, he should not be serving as a cleric. Heck, I think all Christians ought to live every aspect of their lives from such a perspective (not that we always do).

7 posted on 01/30/2008 11:37:31 AM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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De-development means bringing our economic system (especially patterns of consumption) into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation.”

Would it help if we killed all the liberals? That would reduce the population by about 30%.< /sarc >

8 posted on 01/30/2008 11:50:57 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental. — Dave Forman, Earth First! and Sierra Club director (1995-1997)

Well, Mr. Forman, if you really believe that, put your money where you're mouth is and let's get started - Do yourself in today. Oh, what you really meant was phasing out other people. OK, got ya, now I understand.

9 posted on 01/30/2008 12:05:25 PM PST by Bob
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Environmental Science is a merit badge that is required for all Scouts wishing to advance to Eagle rank. The requirements and a worksheet written up to help Scouts work on it are found here
10 posted on 01/30/2008 12:05:27 PM PST by RonF
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What was controversial was the Pope’s speaking about environmental issues as if the Christian worldview were true.

>> Controversial? I should hope the Pope would talk as if Christianity were true!


As jaw-dropping as that blatant admission is, the secular world pretends that no one really believes in their religion except for some dumb hick fundies living in the backwoods. Surely no leader would, right? Somehow, even many Christians live as if this were true. Even though they believe, secularists have scared living and speaking openly about their beliefs out of them. It's not constitutional right?
11 posted on 01/30/2008 12:14:49 PM PST by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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...the secular world pretends that no one really believes in their religion except for some dumb hick fundies living in the backwoods.

Per the culture and public schools, the dominant level of understanding of secular thought and philosophy is relatively high, while the dominant level of understanding of Christianity is mostly stunted to the eight-year old level.

What other attitude would you expect the public to take as a result?

It took myself a long time to discover that vast body of thought expressed by great Christian thinkers -- something you will rarely find in our culture unless you look for it. Rather popular culture views the super televangelist send-in-your-money-so-God-can-bless-you types as being among the brightest and best Christianity offers. Yuck!

12 posted on 01/30/2008 12:31:24 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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If all those “experts” are so convinced that mankind is killing the environment and should be reduced in population, why don’t they start by killing themselves?


13 posted on 01/30/2008 1:38:01 PM PST by shekkian
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It took myself a long time to discover that vast body of thought expressed by great Christian thinkers -- something you will rarely find in our culture unless you look for it. Rather popular culture views the super televangelist send-in-your-money-so-God-can-bless-you types as being among the brightest and best Christianity offers. Yuck!

I would like to see a character on a TV show or popular movie that understands Christianity to the point of being slightly admirable, without being some outsider or evil. You would think that the U.S. with our vast Christian population would merit such a character. Doing that would go a long way to helping the understanding of Christian philosophy/theology. I know public schools will never help in that regard.
14 posted on 01/30/2008 2:09:07 PM PST by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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I don’t think colson was saying that it’s remarkable that the Pope spoke as a real christian, I think he’s saying that acting like Christianity is reaal is a source of controversy for the chattering classes.


15 posted on 01/30/2008 2:09:55 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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I’m aware of that badge, my son earned it this summer.


16 posted on 01/30/2008 2:11:55 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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Though I would prefer Mr. Forman repents, I would like to note the following: I priced shotgun ammo the other day, and it’s pretty cheap. He could turn his brain into a pink mist for mere pennies, and if he picks the right model shotgun, it could even be recycled at a scrap yard after he’s done with it.


17 posted on 01/30/2008 2:14:44 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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Though I would prefer Mr. Forman repents, I would like to note the following: I priced shotgun ammo the other day, and it’s pretty cheap. He could turn his brain into a pink mist for mere pennies, and if he picks the right model shotgun, it could even be recycled at a scrap yard after he’s done with it.


18 posted on 01/30/2008 2:14:47 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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If all those “experts” are so convinced that mankind is killing the environment and should be reduced in population, why don’t they start by killing themselves?

Some animals are more equal than others.

19 posted on 01/30/2008 2:17:16 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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Sorry to break in off-topic:

You’ve gotta see this...
http://www.nbc10.com/news/15176405/detail.html?dl=headlineclick


20 posted on 01/30/2008 2:20:29 PM PST by AliVeritas (The Christian satan warned you about.)
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