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Cry HAVOC and let slip the dogs of war...
Posted on 01/26/2008 2:24:45 PM PST by LibWhacker
Tell it like it is, RR!!!
Don’t know why we can’t get a single presidential candidate who has the guts to be as truthful. It’s pathetic. It’s going to be the death of us.
I have zero sympathy except for the collateral damage (i.e. Poland, Great Britain etc.) and I fully understand as well as support our State Department today being 100% behind Turkey and their EU bid, which they are. Stick the noses of the “core of Europe” as they like to see themselves (i.e. Germany and France) into that big sticky terd THEY laid down. They made promises, today they should honor them. That’s something their media in Germany isn’t broadcasting, but their Schroeder made these deals at our expense. We need to remember that, even if they (The Germans or French) don't.
“Not a single word about the oppression of non-Muslims in Turkey.”
When the infamous Article 301 is repealed, when Orthodox hierarchs and clergy and monastics can go out in the streets dressed as the priests/religious they are, when the theological school at Halki is reopened, when the lands and buildings of the Ecumenical Patriarchate are returned to it and after that glorious day when Agia Sophia is returned to Holy Orthodoxy and the Ecumenical Patriarch celebrates the Divine Liturgy of +John Chrysostomos on its altar table, then...then maybe.
As for Bush wanting it now, well that’s just one more reason to impeach him and assure a proper legacy for him...and perhaps salvage the Republican party in the process!
You mean in addition to the one Bush and the EU are trying to establish in Kosovo????
Interesting thought. I voted for him twice, but I'd happily see Bush impeached in a heartbeat to save the conservative movement.
More like the ladder over the wall of a plague ridden madhouse. Whether the ladder is there to get into the madhouse or to let the insane out, it's not a good idea.
“I voted for him twice....”
So did I!
They made promises, today they should honor them.
"So did I!"
Me, too! The only excuse I have is that I remember the alternatives!
Cry HAVOC and let slip the dogs of war...
Cry HAVOC and let slip the dogs of war...
Where the Euros made a seriously bad mistake was to ever suggest to Turkey in the first place that they might be admitted into the EU.
Now they have a lose-lose situation. If they let them in, it will destroy Europe. If they refuse to let them in, the Turks will get madder and madder. And at any time the generals may lose their weakening control of the rising wave of Muslim fanaticism.
The same thing in this country. We should have drawn the border between US and Mexico and made it clear that we liked them, but we liked them on their side of the border. As with Turkey, too much was promised, too much weakness was shown, and there is no really good way out.
But it’s better to hold the borders than not, because that is the lesser evil.
Since when is Europe Christian? I thought that concept was officially ruled out as part of the EU Constitution.
What you’re suggesting amounts to letting off those who fell into our back, who played with the lives of our troops and cost us billions, with no consequences.
Even the Europeans are already realizing the danger and they will not let Turkey enter, but we should let them squirm and not be the ones that look like the bad guys. Let the Germans take the egg in the face when they say “Nein Danke” to the Turks for no reason other than the obvious. They made the promises; we shouldn’t help them out of the hole they dug in an effort to undermine us. Just like we are responsible and are paying the price in Iraq (And we are), they should stand good for their words and actions.
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Turkey in the EU is not going to happen, don’t be worried about that. But we can buy favor with the Turks whom we need by standing behind them and it should not be a high priority to excuse the deals the Germans made with the Turks. In 2003 the Germans were very “Stolz” (Proud) of these actions. Their chancellor more or less said the GWOT is a figment of George Bush’s imagination. They outright denied any Islamic threat although the political elite knew the truth very well and internally already began clamping down by changing immigration, deportation laws; starting a massive eaves dropping program which coincidentally was targeting things like Mosques…...
You’re making the assumption that Turkey has a chance, they don’t. But the weasels should be asked to clean up their own poop and it’s a little bit much asked for us to help them. Let them deal with the backlash through the entire Islamic world. Let them deal with 2 million pissed off Turks in Germany………… The political smoothing over, the intentional avoidance of this issue within German political circles is not without reason. While a high priority issue in Turkey, even in some other Muslim nations, Germany is near silent. But eventually they will have to make the call, and when they do, it won’t be pretty. This is one of those issues which may change as administrations change out. But for now don’t expect us to change course, and frankly we shouldn’t even after 20 Jan 2009.
Frankly, the Euros are more likely to become a club of Muslims.
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