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Does a rapist deserve a military burial?
Los Angeles Times ^ | 01/23/2008 | Anne K. Ream

Posted on 01/23/2008 2:30:39 PM PST by Responsibility2nd

Honoring a convicted sex predator who killed himself behind bars sends a chilling message to victims.

By Anne K. Ream January 23, 2008

Consider this, if you can bear to. Jenny Bush, a young Arizona woman just graduated from college, walks into her home at the end of a workday and encounters an armed serial rapist, James Allen Selby. Selby, who had entered through a first-floor window, uses duct tape to gag and bind her, and then rapes her at knifepoint before fleeing.

After freeing herself, Bush has the courage to report the crime to police -- and the conviction to pursue legal justice. Following a nationwide manhunt, Selby is apprehended and accused of attacking Bush (who, with three other victims, took the stand at his trial) and at least 10 others, including a 9-year-old girl. In October 2004, Selby is convicted on 27 counts, including armed robbery, rape, kidnapping and attempted murder (for slitting the throat of one of his victims). But hours before facing sentencing, he hangs himself in a Tucson jail.

For Selby's victims and their families, it may have been tempting to believe a certain accountability remained operative: His suicide put a fine point on how little he had left to live for in the wake of his conviction. But his death also granted this serial rapist a moral reprieve that the civilian legal system couldn't. Selby was a Persian Gulf War veteran and so, in accordance with Pentagon policy, was buried with full military honors at Ft. Sill National Cemetery in Oklahoma.

The military policy of allowing honors burials for veterans convicted of rape sends a chilling message to victims: Even the most heinous sexual violence does not trump prior military service.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: militaryfuneral; rape; veteran
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1 posted on 01/23/2008 2:30:39 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Does Bill KKKlinton deserve a Presidential funeral?


2 posted on 01/23/2008 2:32:06 PM PST by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Does a rapist deserve a presidential library??


3 posted on 01/23/2008 2:32:48 PM PST by LetsRok
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To: Responsibility2nd

Heck no!


4 posted on 01/23/2008 2:34:08 PM PST by Poetgal26 (God bless the US Military and our allies!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Does a rapist deserve a military burial?

Convicted? No.

IMO, any conviction that does or would have lead to a dishonorable discharge should make a military burial a big "Negative. Over".

5 posted on 01/23/2008 2:34:22 PM PST by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn’t make him my enemy." -RR)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Why single out rapists? How about murderers or bank robbers?

Personally, I think the military funeral is to honor their service. Plenty of very bad people have served in the US armed forces. We can honor their service without it implying that we approve of them as human beings.


6 posted on 01/23/2008 2:34:32 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Hacklehead

There will be a certain comparison within 5 replies.....

Should have posted....

There will be a certain comparison WITH THE VERY NEXT REPLY!!!!

lolol


7 posted on 01/23/2008 2:34:55 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Timothy McVeigh earned a soldier’s funeral. I’ve no idea whether he received one or not.


8 posted on 01/23/2008 2:35:17 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Not to discount the sexual prowess of the rabbit, BUT, there's a reason it's not called BUNNY STYLE.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
If the man served with honor and his military record is clean. What he did after his service doesn't matter

Just where do you draw the line with criminal behavior after he served?

LA Times just stirring the anti military moonbat pot

JMHO

9 posted on 01/23/2008 2:35:35 PM PST by Popman (Gold Standard: Trying to squeeze a 50 lb economy back into a 5 lb bag)
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To: Responsibility2nd

No


10 posted on 01/23/2008 2:36:08 PM PST by boomop1
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To: CholeraJoe
from the article....
The military policy of allowing honors burials for veterans convicted of rape sends a chilling message to victims: Even the most heinous sexual violence does not trump prior military service. It is a position that is as ethically indefensible as it is inconsistent. In 1997, after Army veteran Timothy McVeigh was sentenced to death for his role in the Oklahoma City bombings, Congress barred veterans convicted of capital murder and sentenced to death or life in prison from being buried with full military honors. Veterans convicted of rape or any other violent crime, however, encounter no such restrictions.

11 posted on 01/23/2008 2:38:31 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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He's dead. That's the important and good thing. It's too bad human garbage get anything based on past service. But you see it, even at higher levels.

Of course even traitors can be remembered for prior service. Benedict Arnold comes to mind. Ever see have the occasion to see his honor?

12 posted on 01/23/2008 2:39:36 PM PST by isrul
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In the wake of mass violation of women and girls during the conflicts in Kosovo and Rwanda, rape and sexual violence were for the first time codified as distinct crimes under international law. How telling then, and how troubling, that our country's policy on military burials is at odds with international standards the United States worked to establish.

The article does not establish what international standards are for military burials of convicted rapists. (I doubt there are any.) Yet she goes ahead and uses it to bash the USA anyway.

13 posted on 01/23/2008 2:39:44 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Popman
Yours is the only point that counts.

Just reading that a substantial percentage of fellows and ladies returning from Iraq have brain concusions they didn't even know they'd had.

No doubt this war is not unique.

Old friend of mine spent a couple of tours too many in the Nam. He's half nuts all the time. Has several convictions for white collar crime under his belt.

Not that I wouldn't lock him up if he hurt someone, but his service was faithful and he didn't come back whole.

14 posted on 01/23/2008 2:40:35 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Responsibility2nd

If he was honorably discharged the answer is yes.

Sorry, conduct as a civilian does not reflect on past military service.


15 posted on 01/23/2008 2:42:44 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon
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To: TChris

I think that’s a good yardstick to judge this by. Good call.


16 posted on 01/23/2008 2:43:28 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: isrul

You can make an excellent case that Benedict Arnold was the single most important factor in winning the most important battle of the Revolution, Saratoga, which led directly to French intervention and therefore to independence.

He was probably the best general on either side in the war. (Actually, on both sides.) He missed, by about 15 minutes, capturing T. Jefferson, the governor of VA, during a raid. Tom’s war record was, shall we say, less than inspiring.


17 posted on 01/23/2008 2:43:56 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Responsibility2nd

Time for Congress to enact another law that takes away more earned Veteran’s benefits. Next thing you know, any veteran convicted of jaywalking will be denied all benefits. Might just help balance the budget.

Timothy McVeigh was a mass murderer but his honorable service earned him a soldier’s funeral, nevertheless.


18 posted on 01/23/2008 2:46:34 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Not to discount the sexual prowess of the rabbit, BUT, there's a reason it's not called BUNNY STYLE.)
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Not hitting on you Joe, I just read to the end and now I’m typing.

I think he got far more notoriety and fame from the people who are yammering about this then if they just did a quiet service and planted him.

He served, plant him with as little ceremony as you can get by with and close it down.

19 posted on 01/23/2008 2:59:00 PM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: Responsibility2nd
WTF? I can see it if he'd hanged himself before being convicted of the crime (even if it was going to be a slam-dunk), but this is absurd.
20 posted on 01/23/2008 3:00:22 PM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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