Posted on 01/13/2008 1:01:49 PM PST by TornadoAlley3
Six days before South Carolina Republicans go to the polls, the spat between the Southerners who need to win that crucial primary -- former Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn., and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee -- continues to get uglier and uglier, even as both men tread more lightly on the candidate who leads the most recent poll in that state, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
"Fred Thompson talks about putting America first, and yet he's the one who is a registered foreign agent, lobbied for foreign countries, was in a law firm that did lobbying work for Libya," Huckabee charged Sunday morning on CNN.
Thompson, who had launched an aggressive attack against Huckabee's record during Thursday night's GOP debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C., responded by insinuating that Huckabee is in truth nastier than his sunny demeanor, is unprepared for the presidency, and is making personal attacks while Thompson is "talking about issues concerning this country."
Huckabee has "raised enough money now to get some hit pieces and dredge up personal stuff and personal accusations against me," Thompson told CNN. "And now you're seeing the real Mike Huckabee come out. So, I think we've done a favor to the American people. Because these are serious times, and they require somebody that knows what they're doing and doesn't walk into a situation with foreign representatives and heads of foreign nations with training wheels on."
Since 1980, no Republican has won the presidency without first winning the South Carolina primary. But in this year's unpredictable GOP contest, with any number of possible nominees and no clear frontrunner, the South Carolina primary has taken on extra importance -- for Huckabee and Thompson in particular.
Huckabee needs to demonstrate that his Iowa caucus victory Jan. 3 wasn't a fluke, and that his scotch-tape-and-rubber-bands campaign is capable of going national. For his part, Thompson needs to win somewhere. Anywhere.
Addressing the substance of Huckabee's charges, Thompson Sunday acknowledged he was "in a law firm that did some lobbying work for Libya," but his involvement was minimal. He said he'd registered with the government because of "five minutes' worth of contribution" to discussions about another client, Haiti.
"It was totally consistent with the policies of this country, where a dictatorship had taken over that country and we were opposing that," Thompson said.
During the Republican debate Thursday night, Thompson -- about whom even his supporters complain of less-than-energetic campaigning -- showed remarkable pep and vigor, attacking Huckabee for having overseen a net tax increase as Arkansas governor, for having pushed merit scholarships for the children of illegal immigrants, and for having suggested he would sign a nation-wide ban on smoking in public places. He took issue with comments Huckabee made that the Bush administration had demonstrated an "arrogant bunker mentality" in its foreign policy.
"On the one hand, you have the Reagan revolution," Thompson said during the debate. "You have the Reagan coalition of limited government and strong national security. On the other hand, you have the direction that Gov. Huckabee would take us in. He would be a Christian leader, but he would also bring about liberal economic policies, liberal foreign policies. .. That's not the model of the Reagan coalition. That's the model of the Democratic Party."
Huckabee didn't respond much during the debate, but appearing on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" Friday morning, he took his well-known wit literally below the belt, joking, "I think Fred needs some Metamucil. I think it would help a lot. He was in a bad mood last night."
Campaigning Friday in Michigan, Huckabee went on the attack more substantively.
"It was real interesting hearing Fred Thompson talk about Ronald Reagan last night," Huckabee said. "Because Fred Thompson supported [then-President] Gerald Ford in 1976 and not Ronald Reagan. He supported [then-Sen.] Howard Baker in 1980 and not Ronald Reagan. I appreciate his recent conversion, but some of us were for Ronald Reagan back in the early days; our legacy goes back a little further."
Huckabee also tried to paint Thompson as having been an undistinguished senator.
"Eight years is a pretty long time to get a check from the federal government and not be able to say" he was responsible for any major legislation, Huckabee said.
On Saturday, Thompson called the criticism of his previous support of Ford and Baker as "kind of silly. Howard Baker was my mentor and personal friend in Tennessee for years and years. If you check the record, Gov. Huckabee supported Democrats on a fairly consistent basis in his days in Arkansas politics. I don't think he wants to get into that discussion. We'll see."
Of Huckabee's Metamucil's joke, on Sunday morning Thompson said "his response was to return fire with some potty humor. That's the best he could come up with for the last three days."
He added that he was happy to compare his record to Huckabee's, whom he described as "having raised taxes $500 million more than he cut." He described Huckabee's criticisms of the Bush administration as "blame-America-first comments," and pointed out, correctly, the Huckabee campaign chairman Ed Rollins had called the Reagan coalition dead.
Huckabee, Thompson charged, "talked around the subject and smiled and giggled and told a couple of jokes. When I came back, I said, 'You know, this is about the heart and mind of the Republican Party, because I don't believe it [the Reagan coalition] is [dead].'"
Said Huckabee, "The Writers Guild strike needs to end soon. Fred's got to get some better lines. Calling me a liberal would be laughable in Arkansas, where people recognized -- if anything, they called me this ultra-conservative guy. ... It's always interesting to me, when people get desperate, they start grabbing for anything."
Thompson responded that he had been asking questions about Huckabee's support for closing down the prison at Guantanamo Bay, his support for public programs for the children of illegal immigrants, and the fact that he was endorsed by a teachers' union.
"These are substantive issues," Thompson said. "These are not personal attacks. If the governor wants to get into personal attacks and things that happened some years ago and things that they've done and allegations, there's enough on the record in Arkansas that will keep us busy for the rest of this campaign."
Or at least until Saturday.
A lot of bashing on this thread ... but THIS post #290 has some real meat about who Huckabee is and what he stands for.
Folks on both side of the argument should read it. Get to know the real Mike Huckabee.
Another lie - the billing records have never been produced!
I’m surprised the AARP isn’t saying anything. Fred’s older than most of the other candidates, so when he’s sober and patient, he’s “tired” or “lazy”, and when he’s assertive, he’s “mean” or “curmudgeonly.”
And thats a reasonable criticism to make. I'm not fully sold on Fred. I wish we had a better selection along conservative lines, but I still say it is not surprising that he supported a fellow Tennessean back then.
I respect Baker and yes, he was a good man. However, we hardly considered him “conservative” back in ‘80. But then, maybe we (Reagan supporters) were as wrong about Baker as FredHeads are about Hucksters or vice versa. Do ya suppose?
while McCain continues to climb higher and higher in the polls!!! Go figure.
He's still there? Oh, never mind, the season hasn't started yet. About the 8th week into next season, the folks at Arkansas better start worrying. Maybe he'll make it through a whole season. LOL!
Go Fred!
Even the Huckster’s hands are Clitonesque. Pasty white and stringy.
#290 Excellent post and it backs up what many of us here at FR have been saying about the Huckster—he’s a phony as a wooden nickel...we can see that and by Nov 2008 the whole country will have a true picture of him because the word will get out...you still cannot turn pyrite into gold...
If Huckabee fizzles, his followers will be looking for another prolife evangelical to fill the void. Hunter fits that bill, no one else in the race is evangelical.
The GOP doesn’t get it. They need to let this faction find a home. The amount of invective aimed at evangelicals is surprising, but then everyone wants their votes.
Huckabee has surged because he won a couple of debates and he’s got evangelical support. If a quick rise can happen to the liberal pro-life evangelical Huckster, it can happen to the conservative pro-life evangelical Hunter.
Prolife evangelicals will be very comfortable in Hunter’s camp, since he’s a prolife evangelical staunch conservative.
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On Poll Results and the End of Conservatism
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1951282/posts
The records were produced, but Fred didn't take much credit for the billing. Shades of Hillary Clinton.
Perhaps from me.
Agreed, Hunter seems to be a class act. Too bad he couldn’t get any traction.
There may be an apt Ford - Romney comparison ... both used the veto pen on their respective Democrat legislatures exetensively to stop liberal budgets and legislation.
You are a gentleman. If Fred is the nominee, he has my vote.
I'm sorry, but the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
I'm fairly certain that Fred won't be supporting anyone running against Ronald Reagan in any elections between 2009-12.
Nothing explains Carter, Watergate changed everything. I remember the mood of the country as if it was yesterday, the Republicans could have run anyone short of God and the Dem's would have been elected.
Today we are facing a similar situation, the MSN's relentless criticism of the war in Iraq (regardless of how things are going), the housing market and of course energy prices.
This will be played up as the greatest economic downturn since the great depression, count on it.
The only way we can turn this around is with a Conservative that will energize the base with the ability to get enough crossover votes.
Mark my words, if Thompson or maybe Romney don't get the nomination we are toast.
How will it feel to have Obama in office of another Clintoon administration?
“Don’t know how Thompson is going to deal with McCain one on one being good friends and all.”
Maybe all he has to do is split the conservative vote up enough for McCain to get a plurality of delegates.
Unfortunately, the AARP has been shilling for the DNC as long as I can remember.
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