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Self-deporting immigrants a fantasy (Ruben Navarette barf alert)
CNN.com ^ | 2 January 2008 | Ruben Navarrette

Posted on 01/02/2008 11:18:10 AM PST by Moose4

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To: BohDaThone
Self deportations could easily snowball. The Spanish media has hysterical reports on immigration enforcement and whip up more fear in the community than La Migra. By a factor of at least ten
21 posted on 01/02/2008 12:38:09 PM PST by dennisw
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To: BohDaThone
Navarette is pretty well known - his comments on our right to deport peons is fine but that the peons will work in 110 degree heat and our $3.00 latte kids will not negates deportation in his mind.

In my mind he's merely arguing for a long overdue modernization of farming practices in those areas where we are still using peon labor in peon conditions.

Rube believes that our lack of labor [read 'lazy gringos'] will cause us to further cede our national security and cultural values. That argument is on a descending slope in an economy that is increasingly less needful of manual labor in general and stoop labor in particular - but I guess it remains warm and fuzzy on the left.

They cannot accept that it really is he illegal part and not the hardworking part that is offensive:

I started to list the litany of other ills he is willing to ignore but the list is too long.

22 posted on 01/02/2008 12:42:21 PM PST by norton (deep down inside you know that Fred is your second choice - and there isn't a third choice)
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To: donna
"He is right about the exit from Arizona. I haven’t seen any evidence of it."

I have definately seen a change up here in the High Desert. There has been a trailer park in my beautiful city, for many years. The illegals have lived there in deplorable, trashy conditions, with too many crammed into each trailer. Every morning at the crack of dawn, they gathered together (50 - 60) to stand by the street, waiting for someone to pick them up for a day job.

They are all gone, and the eye-sore trailer 'park' is being torn down. They have left over 100 cats behind, and there is a lady here who is trapping them, and taking them to the vets to be spayed and neutered.

I think the empty trailers will be removed this week.

23 posted on 01/02/2008 12:43:02 PM PST by yorkie
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To: Moose4

I’ve listened to Ruben Navarette being interviewed on the radio a couple of times. What’s the nicest way to put this. He’s not the, uh, sharpest tool in the shed.


24 posted on 01/02/2008 12:48:04 PM PST by joebuck
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To: Moose4

Methinks that this guy would deny the evidence if his nose was rubbed in it,

which is, figuratively, what has happened to him.

It’s not just Arizona, and it’s not a coincidence, that when immigration laws are enforced, illegals decide to go home.


25 posted on 01/02/2008 12:50:53 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: yorkie

That’s good news. The media seems to say it’s so but they base it on interviews of illegal aliens! I’m glad to have a real report.

It’s not really evidence, but on New Year’s Eve I didn’t hear any shots fired or Mexican music in my neighborhood! That’s the first time in years.


26 posted on 01/02/2008 12:53:21 PM PST by donna ("We can create Kingdom on earth" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: dennisw

>Self deportations could easily snowball.<

I doubt it because I don’t think that the illegal alien issue is in the forefront of peoples minds, it certainly isn’t on FR.


27 posted on 01/02/2008 12:54:24 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: Vigilanteman
So this nimrod actually thinks Mexico is so bad as to liken it to suicide? This begs the question: Why does he want to duplicate it here?

Bump. Hoisting liberal nimrods by their petards is becoming too darn easy!

28 posted on 01/02/2008 1:07:25 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
I thought the moron was the guy that approved this guy's citizenship papers.

Then again, I've thought about canceling the paper specifically because they run his "column".

29 posted on 01/02/2008 1:13:18 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Moose4

His column is incoherent. He admits people are going back to Mexico, but says its an annual phenomenon. He’s right, actually, we see it here, when the farms aren’t hiring, people go back to Mexico for a few months, and then return in the spring.

But thats mostly for the legal residents, for them a trip home and a return in the spring is no big deal. Illegals, especially now, can’t afford to go home because they probably can’t get back across. So if illegals are going home, it truly is a “self-deportation”.

Another incoherency is his belief that only Mexicans, and of them only illegal Mexicans are willing to do manual labor in Arizona. This is plainly silly, if you work in the construction trades in the southwest hot and cold weather go with the territory. If the illegals aren’t there, there may be some upward pressure on wages, but that is a good thing, not a bad thing. And if you admit that the absence of illegals mean higher labor costs then you have to admit the corollary, that the presence of illegal workers depresses wages for the legal workers.

If there are some jobs that latte-sipping yuppies won’t do, at the price offered, then contractors may be forced to bump their wages a bit to compete with other work. That is not a bad thing. We don’t want a world in which some people are forced to do hard jobs due to their immigration status, we want a world in which people compete for the hard jobs because they are the best paid jobs. You can’t get there until you eliminate illegal labor.


30 posted on 01/02/2008 1:15:04 PM PST by marron
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To: Moose4
Every Christmas, many illegal immigrants head home to reacquaint themselves with mama's cooking and play Santa Claus by showering relatives with gifts.

That's true. This time of year, they're all heading back to Mexico to visit for the holidays. In a week or two, they'll all be back whether Arizona or any of us wants them or not.

31 posted on 01/02/2008 1:50:46 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: BohDaThone
In order for *self-deportation* to work a number of things must happen. Jobs must dry up and enforcement must been happening to the extent it can. In addition, all taxpayer subsidized services must also dry up, including health care and education. And it would probably also be necessary to do away with the interpretation of a Constitutional Amendment that makes babies born to illegal aliens automatic citizens. I don’t see most of those things happening, so, at this point, one would have to say it hasn’t been tried.
32 posted on 01/02/2008 1:51:05 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Moose4

At firstI thought this might be worth clicking on but then I saw it was from CNN.


33 posted on 01/02/2008 2:44:25 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: B4Ranch

I’m gonna keep hope alive on the self-deportations


34 posted on 01/02/2008 3:46:58 PM PST by dennisw
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35 posted on 01/02/2008 5:09:11 PM PST by devolve (---- - Hey Boone! - My bonus check is late again! -)
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To: joebuck
He’s not the, uh, sharpest tool in the shed.

But he IS a tool.

36 posted on 01/02/2008 5:24:04 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: devolve

Good illegals post!!


37 posted on 01/02/2008 5:58:14 PM PST by potlatch ("Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance!")
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To: Turbopilot

Exactly what I thought when I read the word “restrictionist” in this context. All law enforcement officers are restrictionists by the exact same criteria. They are restricting criminals’ ability to break the law.


38 posted on 01/02/2008 6:35:48 PM PST by Perchant
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To: RJL
Right Ruben, they all self deported from Mexico and wherever else they came from. Why is it a fantasy to think they will again self deport?

Right!! That is obvious to most....Ruben is an idiot...

39 posted on 01/02/2008 8:44:34 PM PST by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: Turbopilot
Maybe we should just start calling the pro-illegal alien propagandists ‘’law-abiding taxpaying American restrictionists’’. Nah...

I like it!

Turbopilot....what kind of turbo you pilot??... signed : Turbo Cessna 195 driver

40 posted on 01/02/2008 8:48:40 PM PST by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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